I'm not sure what the Levo is...30? 40? Anyway, I use ECO 80% of the time and Trail 20%. I find Turbo too much for single track. My original Shuttle's Turbo was just silly on singletrack but great on fire roads (I'm rarely on those). It was heavier so Trail was a good setting. I did use Eco but due to the weight, it was a bit of a bear on steep climbs.

 

I'm not sure what the Levo is...30? 40? Anyway, I use ECO 80% of the time and Trail 20%. I find Turbo too much for single track.

It's 35nm. Like you, I ride a mountain bike as well as the E-bike. I'm sure that to someone coming off a FF E-bike that has around 80-90nm, the SL would feel anemic. On the other hand, I feel like I have Tomac legs when riding the SL (compared to when riding my mountain bike).

 

Hahaha yeah on Eco, I feel like I am on a 20 lb mountain bike. I’d lower it but I used it also on recovery days and long rides at altitude too, so the settings works well.

 

Both are legends, but I'm old, so this guy-

 

I am old too but I still got ET3’s autograph last weekend in Washougal

 

Oh man, my first FS was the ATX 990 Team version that had Tomac's signature on it. I remember it as this sleek machine but looking at pics it's super scary.

 

Every rider has unique fitness, age, riding skills and terrain. If you are new to EMTBs - you need to figure that out for yourself. It really is a whole new thing, and who cares if it new or different?

 

I think older and new riders are going for the full-power ones. I am finally seeing more Rise and Levo SL bikes on the trail now, and they are tending to look like the regular mtn bikers. Just an observation here in Colorado.

 

Well, I'll offer my New Mexican .02 cent anecdote. I started with a full power Levo w/700 wh battery. 52 pounds RTR. I was using at most 50-60% of the battery using mostly eco and trail. Turbo was crazy powerful, only really useful on fire roads (which I don't ride) or pavement.

After about 3 weeks, the LBS got in a shipment of the then new SL, and the GM suggested that I might enjoy that more. They graciously let me return the Levo (it was a demo) and buy a SL. I'm relatively fit, also ride my Stumpy about 1/2 the time, 99% of the off-road riding here is either straight up or down. In comparison to a mountain bike, the SL is perfect in power to weight ratio.

When riding the FF Levo, there was no mistake - I was riding a 52 pound E-bike. It has a very planted feel, which some like - I don't. Depending on wheel and tire choice on a given day, my SL can weigh as little 38 pounds. It feels like a mountain bike. Also, because of the weight, and with the smaller, more efficient motor, and even though the battery is only 320 wh, range has not been an issue. The range extender (160 wh) allows me to do some really big rides.

Yes, you will work (suffer) more on the SL, but I'm sick in the head like that. It's why I still like to ride my mountain bike.

The Rise looks like a cool bike, but I have bike OCD (being a bike mechanic) and rattling bikes, even benign rattling, would drive me absolutely crazy. I'll take the high pitched whir of the SL motor over rattling any day...I also like murder hornet swarm noises of high end hubs.

I might enjoy a FF E-MTB on flatter trails?

 

Suffering is so underrated. I’m with you on that. I need to work a bit so I stay young. No need for half measures. That’s just me.

 

Yes - but feeling like you have ‘Tomac legs’ is addictive - a good addiction for guys who actually are old 🤣

 

I've been finding myself fantasizing about a low power big travel aggressive e-bike. Something I can run the stickiest DD tires on it I want.
They are flat illegal on most of our trails, but I'll acknowledge that many of my favorite trails I don't see another human being on.


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I was pretty young when I discovered MTBR. Time just flew!!

 

My take on low/mid-power eMTBs (and small batteries) : if you're only planning to have one MTB in your quiver, they are the way to go. If you're going to have a regular MTB and an eMTB, a full power eMTB is the way to go. My reasoning? If you ride with regular MTBs sometimes and other eMTBs sometimes, you'll always be in a "compromise" situation. You'll be overpowering your friends on regular MTBs (even on Eco) and you won't be able to hang with your friends on fulllpower/large battery eMTBs either.


I've had a KTM eMTB, a Pivot Shuttle, and an Orbea Rise. I'm now selling the Rise and going with a Levo for the reasons above. I really like the Shuttle SL and would think it would be a great option for the one "do it all" bike.

 

Yeah, the Shuttle would be perfect for many. I'm happy with the Levo SL but I only have one buddy who rides a Levo SL as well. The rest are on normal mountain bikes so my e-bike rides are with the Levo SL guy or solo. As I get older, my needs may change. I like seeing these e-bikes get better and better. I think we will see more light e-bikes for those who have been mountain biking for a while. I think I started in 1998 (GT Ricochet) and while I still prefer mountain bikes, I can see the e-bike becoming more of my thing as I get older. One thing that does worry me is my high heart rate so that may be the determining factor. It used to be irregular for years and years but suddenly became regular. In my 50s, it is risky to get into the 190s for long. I watch that closely.

 

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Can it be ran as a mullet though?!

 

Yes. You'll a 27.5 w/ Super Boost hub though.

 

That’s an excellent idea! I’ll get this one

 

Lots of heart issues are congenital. Athletes keel over a lot sue to them. My cardiologist did not see significant concerns but told me to not keep it (especially on hot days) consistently over 160-170. Since my grandfather and great grandfather died early (50s) like I am now and it cardiac arrests, I’d like to be a bit cautious. I have a 3-year-old to worry about too, and elderly ill parents I support. I have to watch it

 

-Have you had a Calcium-Deposit Heart Scan??? Quick procedure that's non-invasive and checks Lungs too. Gives you a good look at what your risk is for Heart Attack.

 

Honestly seems like a really nice bike, but the click bait weight on the thing is a bit of a farse. The advertised ~37lb weight is for the team version... add a float X and fox 36 over the dps and the fox 34 and you're adding around (700g). That advertised weight is also with a KS Lev CI... which is a rather shite seat post for the application with not quite enough drop, so adding a real dropper post would add another 300g. Tires are rekon's, so putting real tires on it, is another 400g minimum, most likely 700. That weight also includes some rather feather weight reynolds wheels, so add another 300g for rock strike proof wheels or at least cushcore. One also has to assume the stated weight is for a size medium frame... so add another 500g for a size L... 600ish for an XL.

Likely all adds up to the Pro X01 build in size large being around 42ish lbs. Not bad, but not really any different then an orbea rise or levo sl.

I'm stoked to see more of the lighter weight ebikes come out... I much prefer them to a full power, full weight bike, but I think staying grounded on what the actual riding weight will be is important.

 

Honestly seems like a really nice bike, but the click bait weight on the thing is a bit of a farse. The advertised ~37lb weight is for the team version... add a float X and fox 36 over the dps and the fox 34 and you're adding around (700g). That advertised weight is also with a KS Lev CI... which is a rather shite seat post for the application with not quite enough drop, so adding a real dropper post would add another 300g. Tires are rekon's, so putting real tires on it, is another 400g minimum, most likely 700. That weight also includes some rather feather weight reynolds wheels, so add another 300g for rock strike proof wheels or at least cushcore. One also has to assume the stated weight is for a size medium frame... so add another 500g for a size L... 600ish for an XL.

Likely all adds up to the Pro X01 build in size large being around 42ish lbs. Not bad, but not really any different then an orbea rise or levo sl.

I'm stoked to see more of the lighter weight ebikes come out... I much prefer them to a full power, full weight bike, but I think staying grounded on what the actual riding weight will be is important.

You're right, but also with some choice changes, you could keep the weight about that of the WC spec.
Vecnum seatpost, as light as a Lev Ci (which is still a superb post!).
Tioga Edge tyres, barely any heavier, 2.5s, plenty burly for most riding.
Carbon rims on DT240s with Rimpact inserts, barely any heavier than those Reynold XC wheels.
Mine's on order, and according to my calculations, my Large will be under 38lb with a plenty sturdy build, no noodly parts anywhere.
The big advantage is the lack of whining, rattling motors on the Rise and Levo SL, and drag free pedaling.
Plus, it's a Pivot, which are always beautifully over-engineered.
Shame about the 157 Superboost though, but you can't have everything!

 

My Levo SL with a 36 and DPX2 plus alloy wheels is just over 40 lbs. 37-38 is fine for a lighter rider or if trails are pretty smooth. Good to know it can get there though.

 

No, but will ask. Thanks!

 

The SL is pretty light. I have a DPX2, a Pike @160, Cascade Link, 2.6 tires. I have a rear Spez carbon wheel and a pretty nice Sun Ringle front alloy wheel. w XT trail pedals 39.57#

 

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Any reports on when this will be available?

 

I believe Spring '23........

 

I'll be ready by then!!!

 

Should be on dealer floors by the end of the month.

SM

 

Are we talking a revised Levo SL?! If so, I'm all ears!

 

Dammit! That's too early.😁

 

No, I was talking about the Pivot Shuttle SL, but that has been pushed to September 15th. Last I heard the Levo SL upgrade is coming sometimes in September, but who knows?

 

My friend put down a deposit on the Pivot 2 weeks ago and he was told at that time around September 15th.