Very interesting - you could really do some fun stuff with damper in a fork like this. Would be interested to know how they are addressing torsional stiffness...maybe it's a simple as big-ass tubes?

 

This has been discussed in Intend and Push forums. I don’t have the energy to recap the info but it’s out there.

 

Eh Intend has been doing it for years now. Push last year. Figured copies were forthcoming.

 

Ok Mr 2015 but we already had the Shiver and Dorado among many others.

 

Eh Intend has been doing it for years now. Push last year. Figured copies were forthcoming.

 

Came in here to ask how many posts before someone does a lap on stiffness and saw that the number was 0... literal zero. We didn't make it a single post.

 

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Came in here to ask how many posts before someone does a lap on stiffness and saw that the number was 0... literal zero. We didn't make it a single post.

This has been discussed in Intend and Push forums. I don’t have the energy to recap the info but it’s out there.

LMAO I just read through the Intend discussion and I see that the stiffness thing has indeed been done to death. Other things to discuss about this fork...my chief concern is that unless they make the big tubes gold, how is anyone going to know that I'm riding a Kashima fork?

 

Since the stanchions are gold maybe clear guards for now?

They could have led’s in them to show off the oh so precious and luscious Kashima glistening at night rides.

 

Wake me when they post the price.

 

$2000 for sure, in line with the 9.1 "price adjustment" and Intend Edge (less any King Cheeto tariffs).

 

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Came in here to ask how many posts before someone does a lap on stiffness and saw that the number was 0... literal zero. We didn't make it a single post.

This has been discussed in Intend and Push forums. I don’t have the energy to recap the info but it’s out there.

LMAO I just read through the Intend discussion and I see that the stiffness thing has indeed been done to death. Other things to discuss about this fork...my chief concern is that unless they make the big tubes gold, how is anyone going to know that I'm riding a Kashima fork?

That’s a good point.

 

Looks like a lot more than a prototype lol. Wonder if Push got wind of this and why they dropped price on theirs.

 

No doubt. If this hits the market, I am thinking $1599

 

Definitely interested, this with an Avalanche Hybrid coil would be the fork I've been looking for

 

Literally been waiting for this so I can drop my Avy Hybrid cartridge into a USD fork. Rumours are it’ll be available in June, fingers crossed that’s true.

 

I wonder if you'll be able to restrict the travel and use it as an XC fork with a 32" wheel?

 

But why?

 

USD forks do look pretty.

 

Just a short glimpse, no details yet.

 

Them forks look like somthin out of a gun😆

 

I think it looks pretty sweet. I've been off put by Intend only because of stateside service availability. It'll be curious to see how it compares against the 9.1 in weight.

I'm certainly curious about USD forks but for a 150mm trail fork I'm not sure the weight penalty is worth the benefits.

 

Solution looking for a problem?

 

I want these marzocchi branded one.

 

Shiver SC 2025 edition???? Real????

 

I really like the axle overhang on each leg.

"OK Fox design crew, let's see if we can negate one of the benefits of a USD fork right out of the gate"

Getting rid of massive axle overhang was one of the reasons high performance moto forks went inverted so long ago.

 

Cane Creek has entered the chat if Fox isn't your flavor...

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/cane-creeks-prototype-inverted-fork-sea-otter-2025.html

 

Cane Creek has entered the chat if Fox isn't your flavor...

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https://www.pinkbike.com/news/cane-creeks-prototype-inverted-fork-sea-otter-2025.html

Now THAT has my attention!

 

Interesting. I don't see many Cane Creek forks in the wild. Personally most of my Fox stuff has been good. Certainly isn't holding back my riding in any way.

 

Cane Creek got kindof a bad rep due to a few product failures, the DBInline thing being a massive one and the early v1 Helm had both functional flaws and reliability issues. These have since been fixed and it's a fantastic fork, but it's outshined by the newer Fox and Manitou products IMO. They are one of the only brands aside from Ohlins and Formula that offer coil forks in simple (e.g. no hydraulic or air spring bs) form.

The other reason - most of these products are not on OEM bikes and deals are harder to come by. Ohlins flat out doesn't discount their stuff unless it's prior gen, Manitou isn't on any OEM builds (fatbikes aside), Formula (who makes very good suspension products IMO) isn't widely known in the US, PUSH is expensive/heavy, EXT is expensive/service sucks, etc. All of the above are more time intensive to dial in than Fox/RS products generally are, but IMO you end up with a much better result when you do and they have more variation available for riders of different weight/riding styles.

Fox and RS are just kindof the Honda of mtb components. Finding people to work on them is easy, dialing them in compared to some of the other options is easier, they may not be as good overall but they work. It helps that it's often easier for people to get deals on them and if they buy OE builds from manufacturers, they will have one or the other. Upgrading suspension is expensive and most people just don't bother. It may not be the best, but it's cheaper to find, easier to work on, and faster to setup.

 

Cane Creek suspension is criminally underrated.

Substantially better damping, better air spring (that doesn’t require you to buy new ones to change travel) and can be coil, from the factory.

Cherry on top, excellent customer service and support.

 

I am looking at CC for my HD6, especially since they can do coil out the door, and I hate the feel of the Fox 38.

 

I don’t buy into the idea that one suspension brand is much better than the others. From my experience they all make good stuff it’s more about how you set it up.

But if USD forks allow things to stay better lubricated and have other ride quality advantages, it will be pretty cool to see a “step” in innovation, since MTB tech has been pretty incremental over the past five years.

 

In general, Fox damping has been pretty behind. They have relied heavily on being lightweight and advertised as being “the best”.

They got away with flexy as hell XC and trail forks that loved to bind. Having dampers with essentially zero oil in them (because oil is heavy). Having shoddy assembly at the factory with under lubricated lowers when it came to oil and wipers, but a massive glob of equalizing port clogging, volume gobbling slick honey on the air spring. For YEARS AND YEARS NOW.

All while being at a top tier price point.

It’s to the point now that even PinkBike will callout how bad the new Grip X damper is in reviews.

To me, damping is incredibly important, and Fox seems to put it at the bottom of the “important” list when designing suspension. Being lightweight, having an ugly, and mismatched to even other Fox stuff, Gold treatment on stanchions seems to all they care about.

 

Interesting to see these types of comments when the guys winning our local enduro races are all either on 38s or Zebs. Usually not messing with the damper either and just getting a good service before a race. There’s some fast people on the front range. Charlie Murray won most of his EWS races on a stock Lyrik too. Can’t be that bad…

 

Ive won races on Fox, doesnt mean it was good.

 

What specifically is so much better? An Avy cartridge? A cane creek helm?

I missed a podium by ten seconds. So please tell me what’s gonna get me there.

 

Maybe a Helm…

in all seriousness, back when I cared enough to time/track my efforts, my fastest times were always on heavier and more terrain appropriate suspension.

Always.

I tracked better, I braked later and I knew what my suspension was going to do. I simply forgot about my bike and rode the terrain.

With Fox, I always felt like I was fighting a spiking fork or concerned about Traction with a skittering and bouncing rear wheel…

Cane Creek doesn’t give me those issues.

They might be heavier, but I know for a fact I’m faster on them. 🤷‍♂️

 

Makes a lot more sense if you're 145 lbs. I'm ~175 and have no issue with the range of the Grip X or the Charger 3.1 - I'll admit the charger 3.0 left something to be desired in the Zeb. But the 3.0 works really well in the Lyrik for some reason.

 

I should also point out, I paid like $290 for the Z1 Coil, so anything more than a pogo stick was pure bonus for me. 🤷‍♂️

 

I run the Grip X pretty open, but but when setup right I’ve been able to ride full days at the park without arm pump. Personally I can’t ask for much more than that given what’s on the market.

 

I run the Grip X pretty open, but but when setup right I’ve been able to ride full days at the park without arm pump. Personally I can’t ask for much more than that given what’s on the market.

Maybe this is where we fundamentally differ.

I. Don’t. Ride. Park.

I’m not trying to shame those who do, but a lot of us have a lot of riding in before we even reached the peaks…

It’s simply not the same type of riding.