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mullen119

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Hated the Float CTD Evo that came on my Bantam. Took it apart, this is what I found:


Damper assembled, pulled from damper body. In this picture, the damper would be in descend mode.


No high speed rebound, just a plunger with a .5mm thick shim/washer that covers the HSC ports from the bottom. This is what the CTD lever controls(controls how close to the piston face the shim is)


Piston removed. All shims and check valve installed still.

Piston/check valve pulled apart. LSC shim stack would be the larger shims only and main ports along the outside of the piston flow to them. These are the ports the CTD valve covers. The smaller shims are the HSC shims They sit under the LSC shims, so both shim stacks are part of the HSC shim stack.. When the LSC ports are covers, the HSC ports are still open allowing the oil to flow, but both stacks need to flex to allow Flow.



Close up of the shim side of the piston. HSC shims fit down in the inner circle. LSC shims go on top and cover the rest of the piton. Like I said earlier, the shim stacks run in series, so HSC oil flow must flow through the LSC stack as well.



Bottom of the piston. The ports along the outside are what the CTD washer covers. The ports on the inside are recessed to allow oil flow to them when the LSC ports are covered. This is what gives the lock out its blow off.

Overall, I'm not surprised that the shock performs so poorly. No HSR circuit is ridiculous for rear shock, especially one from Fox. The in series shim stacks are also a questionable at best design. I would say I expect better from fox, Unfortunately I don't.
 
No HSR circuit is ridiculous for rear shock, especially one from Fox.
I'm not surprised after seeing the Evo fork internals. Fox has significantly cheapened their products over the last couple years.
 
ugh... No wonder mine dives and spikes all at the wrong times!

Now... this shock is focused on OEM market, but at any rate, this is a poor effort from Fox. Same as their EVO forks. Actually, I find it easier to live with the fork than the shock. The shock is crap.

I will dump both from my bike.
 
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ugh... No wonder mine dives and spikes all at the wrong times!

Now... this shock is focused on OEM market, but at any rate, this is a poor effort from Fox. Same as their EVO forks. Actually, I find it easier to live with the fork than the shock. The shock is crap.

I will dump both from my bike.
I agree. Lucky for me, I dont have to deal with a Evo fork. The Evo rear shock never made it to a proper trail before I dumped it.

My wife is Full Evo on her Giant though. Even she hates it. Normally she doesnt notice anything with her suspension, so for her to say if feels like crap on the trail says a lot. She Hates the fork more than the rear shock, but complains about both.
 
My wife is Full Evo on her Giant though. Even she hates it. Normally she doesnt notice anything with her suspension, so for her to say if feels like crap on the trail says a lot. She Hates the fork more than the rear shock, but complains about both.
Another Giant here, and yes, they are that bad.
You probably already did, but look at the semi-bath. My fork felt sticky from the get-go. Fresh Mobil 1 and it now feels like a fork.

Next will be lighter oil in the "damper" but it's pretty much bandages on a horse with a broken leg.

I haven't bothered with the shock. I thought my X-Fusion would fit, but it didn't so I'm stuck with this POS for a while.
 
Guess this means I'm lucky my Remedy 9 has Fox Performance Series Float, DRCV, CTD... instead of the Remedy 8's Fox Evolution Series Float, DRCV, CTD?

While no Kashima or Trail Adjust, I'm assuming the Performance Series rear shock is actually tuneable?
 
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Same here. Mine was literally a bizarro shock. It would blow through travel when you'd want support, but lock up solid when you'd want it to move. Moved to a Monarch+ and haven't looked back.
Moved to an older RT3 for me. Still trying to get the tune dialed, but just a decent base tune blows away the Fox.
 
Damn, and I almost bought one of those Evolution series shocks off of ProBikeSupply but ponied up for the factory model instead!
 
you guys probably already know this, but avalanche is now servicing fox evo shocks.

because of the terrible components inside the evo, craig at avalanche is replacing most of the internals to give it proper damping

Float Evolution and Performance SSD HSB Modifications

as a side note, does anyone think craig could double his business by hiring a web developer to make his website more modern? I'm sure he has all the business he wants just through word of mouth, but a redesign that made navigating his site easier, and explained better what his upgrades do would make it much easier for people on the fence to give his business a shot.
 
Hi guys,
I am revitalizing this post as I have a 2013 CTD evo shock with a problem.
It has a clunk. Everything is working normally, Climb, trail and descent, rebound also.
The shock doesn't seem to be suffering from a IFP loss of nitrogen as I had that in my RP23 and fixed it by re-bleeding the damper.

Back to the CTD i actually thin the clunk is more noticeable in slow rebound witch sees to be a bit strange as I would expected that a faster rebount to favorise a clunck.

I have followed this topic especially for the pictures and fox instructions also for the pictures to try to get an idea of what could cause the clunk https://www.ridefox.com/help.php?m=bike&id=170
The manifestation is similar to what this guy has

As a first suspect I am thinking at the lockout plate and spring as they seem to be able to produce such sound if that spring is not tensioned enough anymore.
Its just a thought so I am asking for the more experienced of you o give me an idea of what to look for.

I have also considered sending this to Fox dealer but I have seen many opinions here on MTBR of these evo returning as they are with the explanation that this is how EVOs are working and its normal.

I don't think this si true as this shock worked without this sound until recently.

Thank you!
 
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Hi guys,
I am revitalizing this post as I have a 2013 CTD evo shock with a problem.
It has a clunk. Everything is working normally, Climb, trail and descent, rebound also.
The shock doesn't seem to be suffering from a IFP loss of nitrogen as I had that in my RP23 and fixed it by re-bleeding the damper.

Back to the CTD i actually thin the clunk is more noticeable in slow rebound witch sees to be a bit strange as I would expected that a faster rebount to favorise a clunck.

I have followed this topic especially for the pictures and fox instructions also for the pictures to try to get an idea of what could cause the clunk https://www.ridefox.com/help.php?m=bike&id=170
The manifestation is similar to what this guy has

As a first suspect I am thinking at the lockout plate and spring as they seem to be able to produce such sound if that spring is not tensioned enough anymore.
Its just a thought so I am asking for the more experienced of you o give me an idea of what to look for.

I have also considered sending this to Fox dealer but I have seen many opinions here on MTBR of these evo returning as they are with the explanation that this is how EVOs are working and its normal.

I don't think this si true as this shock worked without this sound until recently.

Thank you!
If i remember correctly, Craig from Avalanche says that the hat and spring can break from the force applied during high shaft speed events. It's very likely this is the issue.

If it was me, I would use this as an excuse to send the shock out to Avalanche to get a true shimmed damper installed, or upgrade to a Manitou McLeod. Fox evolution dampers are terrible, so the performance gains are worth the extra money compared to just a normal rebuild. The price diffrence is relatively small as well.
 
Thanks for the sugestions.
I can buy a RT3 Debonair for even cheaper here in Europe but this is not the case for the moment.
Beeing in EU PUSH, Avalanche are kinda out of reach for me.
I want to fix it! I want to see what makes it tick!
I have seent this http://forums.mtbr.com/ibis/what-noise-1001520.html
It also resembles the kind of clunk/knock I am having in my CTD.

If i remember correctly, Craig from Avalanche says that the hat and spring can break from the force applied during high shaft speed events. It's very likely this is the issue.
This is actually very plausible with the mention that it could be the guy who serviced before me might not tighten the shaft hat or plate enough, or maybe didn't used red Loctite and the thing started to unthread with use.

This is actually my new main suspect ... the shaft being loose.
 
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