[slocaus]

No I just made sure they mounted with the indicator showing all the way around. No suds or latex other than my sealer which had some latex in it as i run a home brew, Flat Attack, Latex & Windex.

I'm relatively new to tubeless (Ignitors on Archs, 6'3" and 200 riding weight). Since I am a rubber junkie, I mounted a bunch of tires with tubes when I got my wheels - Nevegal, Rampage, Saguaro, Klaw, Weirwolf LT. Exiwolf, Nanoraptor, Racing Ralph, you get the idea (maybe tire whore is more accurate? :crazy. All tires mounted without tools or excess thumb pressure. Again, Ignitors are the only one I have run tubeless.

I have had no trouble, but I'm old and slow, and know from experience that my bones break. That said, I have always read to use soapy water to allow the bead to seat fully and properly, and I did as well. I wonder if that could be some issue here? The bead is just not seating fully without the lube?

 

[Cycle64]

I've had enough of this conversion deal! Knew I had a leaking valve core but LBS said the sealer will fix that. So the Stout's with free ride casing are mounted and front works fine. Start sealing the rear and with max 45 psi in a 2.3 tire it blows of the rim. I was not even adding air at the time it blew off. Just doing the shake and lay flat routine. Yep, wheel was at eye level and I got a face full! Many positive reports with the Flows! This just does not seem to be the case with my set. Not bashing Stan's just bummed I can't run these rims as I had intended!

 

[Cycle64]

I'm relatively new to tubeless (Ignitors on Archs, 6'3" and 200 riding weight). Since I am a rubber junkie, I mounted a bunch of tires with tubes when I got my wheels - Nevegal, Rampage, Saguaro, Klaw, Weirwolf LT. Exiwolf, Nanoraptor, Racing Ralph, you get the idea (maybe tire whore is more accurate? :crazy. All tires mounted without tools or excess thumb pressure. Again, Ignitors are the only one I have run tubeless.

I have had no trouble, but I'm old and slow, and know from experience that my bones break. That said, I have always read to use soapy water to allow the bead to seat fully and properly, and I did as well. I wonder if that could be some issue here? The bead is just not seating fully without the lube?

The Stout that just blew off the rim was mounted with soap and water. Would be nice if it is something I'm doing so I can correct it. But I honestly don;t think I am.

 

[GFisher2001]

Rampage on Arch rim is bullet proof for me. Even a used and remounted tire stays put with minimal leaking on home brew sealant. Only yellow tape btw.

Same experience I have.

Rampage on Arch Rim. ~30psi, rider = 165, 175 in gear. Riding Rigid.

Rampage tire did not mount easy. Had to use soap and even then I wouldn't say it slid on very easy.

No problems yet with burping or getting it to seat. I even used a floor pump since thats all I have. I flowed instructions exactly.

FYI - I'm running a Michelin AM or is it AT XC in the rear and i've had the same experience. (difficult to mount tire but still got on without lever just alot of soap and elbow grease)

Had to add air/let air out but this probably was strictly due to being brought inside and then out. Temperature fluctuations could be as much as 40 to 50 degrees.

 

[jncarpenter]

The Stout that just blew off the rim was mounted with soap and water. Would be nice if it is something I'm doing so I can correct it. But I honestly don;t think I am.

Sounds like an issue with the rims I suppose. I would contact stans & report your issues! See what they suggest....they are the experts afterall, not your LBS

 

[boy_dinosaur]

I know lots of folks have had success with Stan's but I didn't even get half-way through reading the instructions before I decided it wasn't for me. I say talc the crap out of your tubes a go without worries, or buy the stuff that was made to be tubeless. Hope it all works out for you!

 

[Cycle64]

That is were I'm at now. Never going to feel good with this setup. Love tubeless and never had an issue with 26'er UST stuff. Guess I'll wait until we have 36 hole UST rims and a tire to go with it.

 

[Cycle64]

I hear you pal! But I lost all confidence in this setup now. I'm running tubes until UST 29'er gear is available.

 

[fritZman]

I'm close to 200 with gear and run Flow (like trb2929, with Haldeys) with Racing Ralph mounted tubeless. 26-27 psi front and rear, zero issues.

My Rampages mounted up (w/o lever) as well and they seated ok but I removed them for the RR before I had a chance to try them.

 

[BWG]

In all fairness to Stan's and Panaracer, this is from the notubes.com website:

"29inch Mountain Bike Tires
Recommended:
NoTubes Crow 29er
Any tubeless ready tire.
WTB 29'er (wire bead only)
Any wire beaded tire "

Didn't keep me from tryin' the Rampages though.

 

[jonmtb]

Factory specs

I have had my problems with stans as well.
After speaking to the guys at Stans, they mentioned the twist and c-clamp test.
Have any of you heard of this, has anyone talked to stans or watched the instruction video about this. I have done both and found it very helpful.
Start with a tight fitting tire, air it up dry so you dont get a face full of stans. Put on some Gloves, Ear protection, and Eye protection. Air it up to 30 to 35 and grab a hand full of tire, set it on the ground and twist the tire, pulling it towards you from the top. So if it blows off it will go away from you. These are the recomendations from stans for testing a tire and rim. I would suggest before getting frustrated with a product and voicing your complaints here you should at least contact the company and watch the videos. Stans deserves at least that much.
At this point you most likely are thinking I work for Stans, well I dont. I run a shop and have installed several setups, and did my research, so that I knew the proper setup and
testing. As for the leaking valve stem, most of the time its not the stem its the weld or pin in the rim leaking air on either side of where the tape dose not cover, then it travels through the rim cavity and comes out at the valve stem. To solve this just find the weld and shake.
These are the recomendations from Stans. Dont shoot the messenger.
Stans said if the tire does blow then you need more tape or strip, The tire should fit tight. These rules may or may not apply to a huge guy.
But this is the best advice I have found

 

[unit]

I would suggest before getting frustrated with a product and voicing your complaints here you should at least contact the company and watch the videos. Stans deserves at least that much.

Well said. While I never meant to voice frustration with any company or product, I would like to point out that I have viewed the materials you referenced, and have used both recommended and non-recommended products with the same results.

I do not get frustrated with Stans or the tire manufacturer...Like I said, it is simply a limitation that some people will gladly live with...the conditions that I encounter that cause burping are likely never attempted by most people that are *racing* a course.

When I race, I avoid silly risks and therefore avoid 99% of the situations that cause my tires to burp. The weight savings, and the faster lap times I see with tubeless show me the benefits...but for fun/freeriding tubeless works poorly for me...that is all.

Getting frustrated with a company will not teach you much, nor will it fix many of your problems. Experimenting with what works for you and what does not -- might. Experimenting will also probably cost you a bit of extra cash...People that are at the top of the food chain in this sport usually did some experimenting and spent some cash along the way to get there...not everything they tried worked well for them probably...some things probably did.

Why do so many people seem to expect to simply bolt on absolute and perfect performance? What works for one may not work for others...Sometimes it seems that people here believe that there is a Magical bicycle that exists...this Magical Bike has the right mix of parts that will be the best for any and every user that buys it. Folks, it is just not that simple...Sorry to rant, but I hope this helps at least one person realize that tubeless works great for some people and horrible for others...and still others find that it is good in some situations and less desirable in others.

>rant off<

 

[slocaus]

Why do so many people seem to expect to simply bolt on absolute and perfect performance? What works for one may not work for others...Sometimes it seems that people here believe that there is a Magical bicycle that exists...this Magical Bike has the right mix of parts that will be the best for any and every user that buys it. Folks, it is just not that simple...

American marketing. They want to sell "THE BEST" and market "IT" as just that, THE BEST. We buy it hook, line, and sinker. :madman:

Ok, thanks for getting me started on how us Americans have gotten so lazy and gullible.
(Your post is well stated, and I do not see Stans marketing as them trying to sell the best, just an alternative that works for many of us, not for others.)

I'll stop now too. //Old guy with old school ideas rant off.

 

[STFU]

attention tubeless enthusiasts-

op is not really trying to make this tubeless setup work. first, you should never put 45 psi into your tire at any point. all it does is stress the bead. second, if you don't like the chance of a burp, run a rubber stans rim strip instead of the yellow tape. it fits tightly between the beads of the tire when inflated. one call or email to stans and they would have told you this.

i weigh 190 and have never blown a tire off the rim on the trail. at 28-30 psi. and according to my records i rode 198 times in 2007... it is because i am so much more awesome at understanding directions than some other people. oh and i run crossmarks, rampage, nevegal, karma, etc. and get this- they fit my arch rims loosely- and haven't blown off!!!!

there are people who are not well suited to tubeless conversions, and some who are. the ones who are read directions, suck knowledge from the boards, and try to understand the process of inflating and sealing a tire. the ones who aren't are easily frustrated people who don't ever understand the mechanics of what they are trying to do. these people really do need to buy some tubes, and if they really ride, then they need to change them constantly as they pinch and puncture them, and bounce all over the place as they run 40 psi.

oh, and they constantly need to post about how they can't get something to work that some of us have used for years with little to no problems. the same tires, the same rims the same juice, the same two choices of rim strips- the only thing that is different is the brain that is trying to install the system...

 

[slocaus]

......

 

[smaxor]

I weigh in at 200.5 today and have had success with flows and spec resolutions (yellow tape and only 1 scoop of stans. I picked up a set of rampages and 2.4 racing ralphs, now I am not sure about the panaracer. Has any tried the flow and racing ralph combo ?

j

 

[jonmtb]

I found out the other day that the reason Stans has a limit on PSI is because the rim is very thin and could crack if you overinflate. I would guess it would crack near the nipple. Because of this and wanting a little stronger rim, I am considering the DT Swiss eyelited 29er rim for my bike. I'll try to set it up with a strip. Hopefully DT comes out with a kit.
JUST TRYING TO HELP FOLKS, NO ILL WILL.

 

[Cycle64]

attention tubeless enthusiasts-

op is not really trying to make this tubeless setup work. first, you should never put 45 psi into your tire at any point. all it does is stress the bead. second, if you don't like the chance of a burp, run a rubber stans rim strip instead of the yellow tape. it fits tightly between the beads of the tire when inflated. one call or email to stans and they would have told you this.

i weigh 190 and have never blown a tire off the rim on the trail. at 28-30 psi. and according to my records i rode 198 times in 2007... it is because i am so much more awesome at understanding directions than some other people. oh and i run crossmarks, rampage, nevegal, karma, etc. and get this- they fit my arch rims loosely- and haven't blown off!!!!

there are people who are not well suited to tubeless conversions, and some who are. the ones who are read directions, suck knowledge from the boards, and try to understand the process of inflating and sealing a tire. the ones who aren't are easily frustrated people who don't ever understand the mechanics of what they are trying to do. these people really do need to buy some tubes, and if they really ride, then they need to change them constantly as they pinch and puncture them, and bounce all over the place as they run 40 psi.

oh, and they constantly need to post about how they can't get something to work that some of us have used for years with little to no problems. the same tires, the same rims the same juice, the same two choices of rim strips- the only thing that is different is the brain that is trying to install the system...

Watched the information on the Stan's site prior. Spoke with Mike and he said run the yellow tape and the Flow strip after the first burp. Soap and water the bead before tire installation. Dude I'm following the directions and have not once thrashed Stan's! This is an information site. Get over the fact people report issues on a information forum! If this ends up being a mistake on my part I'll admit it. I'm not above making a mistake or two in life! One thing I was thinking last night is maybe the brass adapter to convert the presta valve is now allowing a proper psi reading on my pressure gauge.

 

[jonmtb]

Wasnt directing my coments directly at you in particular.
Just hoping the masses have done there homework.
DID YOU DO THE TWIST TEST?? TRB2929

 

[GreenLightGo]

Has any tried the flow and racing ralph combo ?

j

Yes - works great.