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Probably some ebikers would not be out riding/exercising if it wasn't for ebikes. Probably one in my future...eventually.
Sure...but these guys are the exception, not the rule.
 
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We did a ride which was about thirty kms, first twenty is the climb to about 900m. We'd pulled over at a photo spot near the top, my first time riding it and a group on ebikes caught us and asked how much longer to go as they were low on battery. Said I had no idea, but there was nothing stopping them turning round. It's two way but the best descent was further on.

Pretty consistent gradient so no idea if it was hard on battery life or not.
 
Other local-ish options:
  • Go to Oakridge or Ashland and pay for a ride on a shuttle
  • Go to Bachelor or Timberline and ride the chairlift up
<Warning: humble brag ahead>

Ironically over decades of biking, my 2 most full-body brutalizing and utterly exhausting riding experiences were shuttling the Whole Enchilada, and lapping Trestle bike park from literally first chair of the day to the last chair they sent up the mountain for that day.

Even a 100 mile "to sHELL and back" bike race was less full-body brutalizing in comparison. Sometimes the assist is just enough rope to really hang yourself.
 
We saw a dude pushing his hub motor BSO today. We were tempted to ask him if it was mechanical or just a dead battery. Was the third or fourth moped walker we've seen this year. Not realizing a dead ebike is now a bike actually tracks with our perspective on public awareness.

The times have changed.
 
My observation has been that most people that ride e-bikes are kooks that I want nothing to do with on or off the mountain. A few exceptions there, but not many.
I'm not sure if it's that. In my example the trail we were riding had little cell signal, was a little remote and I'd looked at the trail details before hand so I knew how far it was etc. X number of kms to the top etc. Plus I had my Garmin doing its thing. Not the kind of ride I'd just whip out the back door to knock off in an afternoon.
 
<Warning: humble brag ahead>

Ironically over decades of biking, my 2 most full-body brutalizing and utterly exhausting riding experiences were shuttling the Whole Enchilada, and lapping Trestle bike park from literally first chair of the day to the last chair they sent up the mountain for that day.

Even a 100 mile "to sHELL and back" bike race was less full-body brutalizing in comparison. Sometimes the assist is just enough rope to really hang yourself.
True. The most exhausted I remember feeling was after a full day of downhilling at Silver Mountain bike park. It’s so rocky there that the vibration through your body beats you up, and there’s a long return on the flat valley floor to get to the gondola. We did almost 16,600’ of descending over 46+ miles and 4:30 hours of moving time. I was worked.
 
Eh, some people don’t like the feeling of exercise, and some do. Yes, some of the former are on E-mtbs for that very reason. As long as they’re polite and observe proper trail etiquette, I see no problem.

I bought one because I’m a gravity addict and when I ride it, I can get more vert per hour than I can on a regular bike (I still ride regular bikes as well).

Over the years, I’ve done quite a few rides that were at the very limit of my physical endurance. One was at Whistler Bike Park. No pedaling uphill all day — but I lapped the park from opening to closing without having had any real DH conditioning for quite a few years. I was like a kid in a candy store. When I was finished my forearms became swollen, I developed tendinitis in my right one, and couldn’t ride a bike for a month because of it.🤣

Another one was on a full-powered EMtb, going up a gnarly DH trail (about 2200’ in 1.5 miles).

My point is, e-bikes and DH still allow you to do silly things to your body.
 
Cactus Gramps......Poor food choices over time compromise your immune systems and health in general, disabling your internals and organs from doing the jobs they were designed to do. I am older than you but when faced with death from a heart condition, changed what I consumed to 100% Plant based whole foods, reversing all my health issues simply by eliminating ALL Animal Protein and Processed Food from my "food', a very misunderstood term. Got rid of doctors within 4 months...The Easy Bike is simply another enabler in your life that might allow for and encourage continued poor food choices...on the other hand, if you still have poor and addictive eating/drinking habits then maybe E-Bikes are a good choice. E-bikes for older and disabled people are great tools though, you have to admit. I have many disabled old friends riding E mtb's, it has become the last option. E bikers are for sure sensitive but also entitled no matter the circumstance. the OP's experience is for sure annoying but get used to it brother.....
 
Cactus Gramps......Poor food choices over time compromise your immune systems and health in general, disabling your internals and organs from doing the jobs they were designed to do. I am older than you but when faced with death from a heart condition, changed what I consumed to 100% Plant based whole foods, reversing all my health issues simply by eliminating ALL Animal Protein and Processed Food from my "food', a very misunderstood term. Got rid of doctors within 4 months...The Easy Bike is simply another enabler in your life that might allow for and encourage continued poor food choices...on the other hand, if you still have poor and addictive eating/drinking habits then maybe E-Bikes are a good choice. E-bikes for older and disabled people are great tools though, you have to admit. I have many disabled old friends riding E mtb's, it has become the last option. E bikers are for sure sensitive but also entitled no matter the circumstance. the OP's experience is for sure annoying but get used to it brother.....
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I still don’t know what to do with my ebike. I rarely ride it! I’ve had it 3 years and it just chills in the garage. Even though I’m usually in pain, I just keep pedaling my non-e bike anyways.

I think I’m just stubborn and enjoy the suck. I always tell myself “I can make this climb. I’ll hike if needed.” I end up hiking most of the way :LOL:
 
So I found myself pondering: eMTB and no cramps? Or ride up myself and suffer the occasional cramp?
Why not both? A couple weeks ago without being deliberate about it I got a ride in on both my traditional bikes, my e-mtb, and the gravel. Felt like hitting for the cycle!
 
Just my personal feelings toward e-bikes: more is not always better. I don’t want to have to be bothered with what my battery level is, think about chargers, do extra maintenance, etc. etc. Since e-bikes are take it or leave it I’ll go ahead and leave it.
 
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