Apologies if I am missing the definitive information in this thread: is cable pull different for Shimano 10sp and 9sp front derailleur.

I thought about experimenting with a 10sp front XT shifter I have unused after switching one bike to 1x10, with 9sp SLX-667 derailleur and double crank (that I have troubles adjusting perfectly due to frame clearances). If it is different - will it move more, or less? Since I would need it for two rings only - moving slightly will help me, slightly less, would not.

 

The pull is the same. The only thing I'm not 100%sure of is whether you need to set the 2x/3x mode to 2x or not. I'd think you need it to 3X which is like you older 9-speed shifter. I'd try that first, if it does not shift right, try the 2x mode. The 2X is set and holds the shifter in the middle and big ring bypassing the granny.

 

So dyna sys 10 cassette minus the 11t should work with SRAM 9 gripshifters + dyna sys+ 10 rear derrailleur?

 

Does anyone tried 10speed road chain on mtb drivetrain. I want to put a shimano 105 5701 road chain on 2x10 mtb drive train.
Shimano says that can not be mixed road and mountain bike components!

 

New hack

Got the following combination to work:

9 speed cassette
10 speed Shadow+ SLX RD
10 speed SLX shifter

Worked on the stand with both 9 speed and 10 speed chains. Rode it around the yard but haven't gone on a series ride yet.

To make it work all I had do was to attach the cable to the RD a little differently:

Avner.

 

Very interesting, please post ride reports.. do you find shifting worse or the same as the typical full 10-speed Shimano setup?

 

Nice work cyberavner! Very interested in post-ride reports too!

 

Nice find Cyberavner! Sounds like some of the old tricks still work with using different cable routing to provide different indexing.

Derailer Adjustment - scroll to the bottom for alternate cable routing.

 

Sorry for the long delay.
After a few rides I can say that the mod is working.
The shifting is not quite as good as stock, but I believe that it is caused by my custom 11-42 cassette and the extreme B tension screw adjustment it requires.
This cassette is much harder to get to shift right than a stock one because of the large diameter 42 tooth cog and the big tooth count difference between adjacent cogs.

Avner.

 

so Can I do a x.7 10 spd rear deraliuer with a xtr 10 spd shifter?

 

Ok So I had a 9 speed XTR Drivetrain with a Deore Sp Crankset, Can I Change use a 10 sp Front Derrailleur with a 9sp Chain?

 

Yes, I posted a picture on I think page 16 of the Thread: Dyna Sys 10 speed compatability with 9 speed (Shimano systems dated 4-2-12.

 

Slightly Off Topic

In the end my 9 + 10 speed shifter/derailure/cassette mix and match did not work as smoothly as I wanted. While I assume most folks are trying to get it all to work together to save $, my goal was to get a 36 tooth rear cog on my heavy 9 speed full suspension bike (Niner W.F.O.) and start replacing worn out components on my hard tail. I found a heavy Shimano HG61 12-36 9 speed cassette. The extra easy 22/36 granny gear is exactly what I wanted and I did not have to change any of the 9 speed components. That cassette is heavy but the weight was not noticeable when climbing. As for my 26 hard tail, I just opted to ditch the nine speed altogether and bite the bullet for a new 10 speed XT drivetrain. Both of those options provided far smoother shifting than the combination of 9 and 10 speed components that I attempted to run.

 

if I change my rear mech, cassette, chain, and rear shifter from 9 speed XT to 10 speed XT

will I run into problems?

 

My guess would be no, and I'd expect things to be okay, but sadly the only way to be sure is to try. FWIW, I'd be prepared to do this myself and would expect it to work. If you are patient enough to read through all the older posts I suspect other people have done this successfully.

Good luck with it!

 

For the record, recently I managed to get the following combination of parts to kind of work: FC-M780, FD-M412 (!!) and a SRAM X.9 10-speed front trigger, with a 10-speed Wippermann chain.

I had to use big pliers to squeeze (cold set), in several attempts, FD cage so that it's able to work with narrower chain than it's supposed to. The outside facing part of the cage yielded. Shifting is so far so good.

And the story began with an attempt to mate a 445 mm chainstay 29er (typical value) with a triple crankset. Turned out there was no tire clearance against SRAM X.7 9-speed FD I was initially given to install on that bike (whole bike is a bunch of poorly matching parts collected in a failed attempt at color co-ordination). The FD-M412 that I hastily snatched at an LBS saved the day. FD-M780 is on order and I wonder whether is will give the necessary tire clearance.

This case led me to thinking that 29ers may be the true reason behind the quick advent of 2x10 drivetrains.

 

Hello, mates!
Recently, i decided to go to 3x10-speed setup instead of 3x9.

I have a 9-speed Shimano XT FC-M770 44-32-22 crankset. The question is - can i convert it to 10-speed just by changing the chainrings? I already have purchased 42t chainring from 10-speed crankset. Do i need to buy 32t chainring from 10-speed crankset, or it is the same as 32t on 9-speed version? Is the distance between chainrings same on 9 and 10-speed crank spider?

Thank you guys!

 

Any suggestions?

 

I have upgraded the crankset on my alpha bike from Shimano OEM 10 speed triple (dyna-sys) to Shimano XT 10 speed triple. I want to install the old Shimano OEM 10 speed crankset on my backup bike which is currently setup 1x9 with SRAM chain/cassette/shifter/rear derailleur. I plan on just using the middle ring (removing big and granny) on the Shimano OEM crankset so it will still be a 1x9 drivetrain, but using a 10-speed 32T front ring (and cranks). Seems to me like it would be no problem. Any input or anyone think it wouldn't be?

In other words, do 9-speed SRAM chains work fine on 10-speed Shimano chainrings?

Thanks.

 

hi the 3x9 and 3x10 have the same offset chainrings but the 2x10 has a different chainline and chainring offset. the 10 speed chain will work perfectly on the 32t 9 speed ring and the 22t but if u change to a 24t u will need a 3x not a 2x version

 

You do not really need that. Works well enough. Some combinations of 9sp/10sp chains, rings and offsets in front are just a bit more difficult to tune shifting wise.

 

So, can I use an XT HG 94 10 speed chain with a 10 speed 105 and ultegra road drive train?

 

Anyone wanting to use their 9 sp shifter with a new 10sp clutch derailleur, have a look at this!

For those that were interested in the 9-10 speed rear derailer adapters

I've seen the results, and they are good.

 

Hi all. These are my spacers that I designed and had a friend machine up for me. Sorry, but I don't get on mtbr too much these days. If anyone wants one feel free to give me a shout: rob(dot)stead(at)gmail(dot)com.

 

Just wanted to contribute to this thread. I didn't want to convert to 10 speed but I needed the xt plus rear derailleur. So I run 9 speed rear with 9 spd cassette, sram shifter, and cranks. I have the 10 speed chain and rear derailleur (with adapter). Everything works perfectly.

 

I want to watch.

 

Is there a difference between spider spacing distance between 9 speed and 10 speed cranks?

I've reveiwed a lot of posts, probably not all, and seems the consensus is it works fine.

I still have some great 9 speed cranks and BBs that I want to continue to use. The setup would be basicaly a 9 speed front (XTR shifter, XT front derailure, crank), and 10 speed rear (XTR rear shifter, XT rear derailure, cassette, chain).

As an aside, the cranks are Middleburns (RS 7 or 8) with a compact drive spider. Believe it or not, I'm using the same Crank Bros ISIS BB for several years. Years back I picked up a few more of those BBs for pennies as backups, even though now the original BB wont die.

Thanks.

 

Is there a difference between spider spacing distance between 9 speed and 10 speed cranks?

I've reveiwed a lot of posts, probably not all, and seems the consensus is it works fine.

I still have some great 9 speed cranks and BBs that I want to continue to use. The setup would be basicaly a 9 speed front (XTR shifter, XT front derailure, crank), and 10 speed rear (XTR rear shifter, XT rear derailure, cassette, chain).

As an aside, the cranks are Middleburns (RS 7 or 8) with a compact drive spider. Believe it or not, I'm using the same Crank Bros ISIS BB for several years. Years back I picked up a few more of those BBs for pennies as backups, even though now the original BB wont die.

Thanks.

Hi,
I can say the XT 770 crankset have the same arms for 9 or 10 speed just different ring sizes.
But doing what u have said u will be fine, all 9 speed at the front 10 speed rear works good

 

4. Nine speed front derailleurs can be used with 10 speed front shifters, but do not work optimally if used with a 10 speed crankset. Nine speed front derailleurs and cranksets can be used with 10 speed chains and front shifters. A nine speed shifter can be used to shift a 10 speed dyna sys front derailleur.

So would I be able to use XT RD-M786 Shadow+ 10spd derailleur, Sham HG-62 cassette and KMC X10.93 chain with my Deore FC-M590 9spd crankset and Deore FD-M590 derailleur, or would I have to get a different front derailleur?

This would save me over $300 is true!

Edit: The KMC X10.93(10spd chain) is 5.88mm in width, were the X9.93(9spd chain) is 6.6mm in width, while the Shimano SLX CN-HG75(10spd) is 6.1mm in width. Will the difference of 0.72mm-to-0.22mm make a difference in the way the a triple ring capable, 9spd front derailleur will handle a 10spd HG compatible chain on a 9spd, triple ring crankset?

 

hey,
the 9 speed front works fine with a 10 speed chain with xt i had this on my bike until i changed to 2x10