[SuperWookie]

Cool, thanks for all the info everyone. Good stuff. I'm just going to get my shock I have (or buy the Bomber CR) custom tuned by Avalanche like I had already planned on doing months ago. I was just curious about DVO as it seemed like they were making really cool stuff that was better than everyone else (same with Ohlins). But the more I talk with you guys on here, the more you make me realize that NO stock shock, no matter how good it is, or claims to be, can beat a well tuned shock for you, your bike and your terrain. I don't know why I keep thinking some new shiny brand I discover would be better, haha. Thanks for setting me straight

 

[Gman086]

I'll start my reply by calling out Jayem because I consider most of his posts accurate and I consider him an "influencer"... states that he's tried "DVO" but not specifically the Jade X. Well I own one. It is, WITHOUT QUESTION, the most foolproof coil shock I've ever used (just make sure you get the spring rate right) and a NIGHT AND DAY improvement over any stock shock I've ever ridden. I've owned Avy modified coils. PUSH modified coils and airs, World Cup modified X-Fusions, you name it. The Jade X is the best trail/enduro shock out-of-the-box that this planet has seen and I'll put my reputation on that statement. You can change the IFP pressure with an air pump trailside, shim stack it any way you want (GOODBYE $300 custom tunes!!!) and rebuild it entirely at home no problemo. The old school BS in this thread makes me want to hurl. I am in no way sponsored by DVO but I do TELL IT LIKE IT IS as most of you already know. Apparently Remy Metallier also thinks the same...

But hey, what do we know?

Have FUN!

THE G MAN

PS - My advice is to only comment on things you have actually tried. I've been guilty of jumping to conclusions before and have eaten crow... doesn't taste good!

 

[Jayem]

LMAO... I'll start my reply by calling out Jayem because I consider most of his posts accurate and he's an "influencer"... states that he's tried "DVO" but not specifically the Jade X. Well I own one. It is, WITHOUT QUESTION, the most foolproof coil shock I've ever used (just make sure you get the spring rate right) and a NIGHT AND DAY improvement over any stock shock I've ever ridden. I've owned Avy modified coils. PUSH modified coils and airs, World Cup modified X-Fusions, you name it. The Jade X is the best trail/enduro shock out-of-the-box that this planet has seen and I'll put my reputation on that statement. You can change the IFP pressure with an air pump trailside, shim stack it any way you want (GOODBYE $300 custom tunes!!!) and rebuild it entirely at home no problemo. The old school BS in this thread makes me want to hurl. I am in no way sponsored by DVO but I do TELL IT LIKE IT IS as most of you already know. Apparently Remy Metallier also thinks the same...

But hey, what do we know?

Have FUN!

THE G MAN

PS - My advice is to only comment on things you have actually tried. I've been guilty of jumping to conclusions before and have eaten crow... doesn't taste good!

I have the Jade.

My favorite right now is the Bomber CR, but that's mostly due to a bad EXT tune I believe. None of these matches the old Avy Chubbie I had. The transition to HSC was so seamless and effortless, despite having large amounts of LSC/LSR. The tuned RC4 I had was decent, better than both the Jade and the Bomber, but on that bike the LC was too low and it would use too much travel no matter how stiff the damping was set. It wouldn't bottom, it would just use too much for bigger hits. With a better LC, that issue is gone. I will say the Jade is not bad, it's my 2nd favorite big-bike-shock that I own right now out of 4. Ironically the EXT and Vorsprung SD are last. I have more tuning to do with the SD since I just got it back and have to play with air cans, bands and tokens some more.

I haven't even thought about digging into the Jade yet. I did re-valve the Bomber CR with their light main piston setup, that seems to work decently (finally) for my bike. I re-valved the SD and thought I was getting close. but wanted to try Vorsprung...now it kicks pretty hard on impacts and it seems that I have to run the rebound at a max of 2-3 clicks. These things I can address if need be, as the SD is super easy to work on, but I gotta play with it to see if the Vorsprung tune is good or not. I do not recommend re-valving a Bomber CR at home. I did it, but it's a nightmare without special equipment. Night and day with the RS Super Deluxe. That is MADE to be bled at home. No stupid strange fittings, normal metric internals, bleed screws for proper air-free bleed, etc. No special tools to buy (I bought the IFP spacer and shaft clamps, but you don't really need those). So hopefully the Jade is the same way.

The biggest issue I'm seeing right now is aftermarket shocks are just screwed up for many of the bikes they are being put on. With so much stuff moving to metric, lower LR are now more common and most bikes need pretty light tunes. IMO, these light tunes should be the "medium" tunes that all the aftermarket shocks are coming with. As it is, these are mostly ending up very over-damped IMO. This may just be the way they want to err, so a fatter rider won't blow the shock to pieces due to the high speed circuit not choking off enough flow, but again, I think with metric things need to shift down a step and IME, they haven't. So you can always tune, but there are so many variables that it's really hard to get it right. Pre-packaged tunes are probably the best to experiment with for most people, as when you start re-stacking on your own you should really pay for restackor, because seemingly small mods make huge differences and you end up just shooting randomly in the air with little chance of success.

 

[Gman086]

I have the Jade.

My favorite right now is the Bomber CR, but that's mostly due to a bad EXT tune I believe. None of these matches the old Avy Chubbie I had. The transition to HSC was so seamless and effortless, despite having large amounts of LSC/LSR. The tuned RC4 I had was decent, better than both the Jade and the Bomber, but on that bike the LC was too low and it would use too much travel no matter how stiff the damping was set. It wouldn't bottom, it would just use too much for bigger hits. With a better LC, that issue is gone. I will say the Jade is not bad, it's my 2nd favorite big-bike-shock that I own right now out of 4. Ironically the EXT and Vorsprung SD are last. I have more tuning to do with the SD since I just got it back and have to play with air cans, bands and tokens some more.

I haven't even thought about digging into the Jade yet. I did re-valve the Bomber CR with their light main piston setup, that seems to work decently (finally) for my bike. I re-valved the SD and thought I was getting close. but wanted to try Vorsprung...now it kicks pretty hard on impacts and it seems that I have to run the rebound at a max of 2-3 clicks. These things I can address if need be, as the SD is super easy to work on, but I gotta play with it to see if the Vorsprung tune is good or not. I do not recommend re-valving a Bomber CR at home. I did it, but it's a nightmare without special equipment. Night and day with the RS Super Deluxe. That is MADE to be bled at home. No stupid strange fittings, normal metric internals, bleed screws for proper air-free bleed, etc. No special tools to buy (I bought the IFP spacer and shaft clamps, but you don't really need those). So hopefully the Jade is the same way.

The biggest issue I'm seeing right now is aftermarket shocks are just screwed up for many of the bikes they are being put on. With so much stuff moving to metric, lower LR are now more common and most bikes need pretty light tunes. IMO, these light tunes should be the "medium" tunes that all the aftermarket shocks are coming with. As it is, these are mostly ending up very over-damped IMO. This may just be the way they want to err, so a fatter rider won't blow the shock to pieces due to the high speed circuit not choking off enough flow, but again, I think with metric things need to shift down a step and IME, they haven't. So you can always tune, but there are so many variables that it's really hard to get it right. Pre-packaged tunes are probably the best to experiment with for most people, as when you start re-stacking on your own you should really pay for restackor, because seemingly small mods make huge differences and you end up just shooting randomly in the air with little chance of success.

Hi Jayem,

Up until the Jade X coil I wouldn't disagree with any of that. Their new compression tune on the X (not the standard Jade which I assume you own?) is just crazy forgiving for many different LR's. The Chubie is a great shock but good luck fitting it into many of today's trail or even enduro frames - it's a DH shock with a wide spring (would rub on mine as well as the resy) and the IFP adds friction compared to bladder designs like the Jade X.
This is what DVO says about the "X" version and I would have to just laugh and say marketing speak koolaid until I actually tried one:
"Since there were less external adjustments, we really had to nail the compression and rebound tune. For this we created a brand new high flow piston to allow for more shims to control precise points of the stroke. The rebound and compression damping get strong where you need it and back off in situations where the wheel needs to move quick. The high/low speed compression and rebound now work dynamically to provide great support, control, and zero packing on high speed chatter. The end result is the most versatile coil shock option on the market."

That last statement is a pretty bold claim by DVO but I am astounded by how versatile it really is and used to scoff at coil overs for trail bikes but not anymore! I'm sold on the Jade X and the availability of progressive rate springs makes it even more versatile for pretty much any LR on any bike these dayz. It takes a lot to impress me an this shock has!

Cheers,

G

 

[Jayem]

Hi Jayem,

Up until the Jade X coil I wouldn't disagree with any of that. Their new compression tune on the X (not the standard Jade which I assume you own?) is just crazy forgiving for many different LR's. The Chubbie is a great shock but good luck fitting it into many of today's trail or even enduro frames - it's a DH shock with a wide spring.
This is what DVO says about the "X" version and I would have to just laugh and say marketing speak koolaid until I actually tried one:
"Since there were less external adjustments, we really had to nail the compression and rebound tune. For this we created a brand new high flow piston to allow for more shims to control precise points of the stroke. The rebound and compression damping get strong where you need it and back off in situations where the wheel needs to move quick. The high/low speed compression and rebound now work dynamically to provide great support, control, and zero packing on high speed chatter. The end result is the most versatile coil shock option on the market."

I am astounded by how versatile it really is and used to scoff at coil overs for trail bikes but not anymore! I'm sold on the Jade X and the availability of progressive rate springs makes it even more versatile for pretty much any LR on any bike these dayz. It takes a lot to impress me an this shock has!

Cheers,

G

Pretty sure the spring is the same width on the Chubbie. The Jade has the wider 36mm spacing like the CC and RS, not the narrower 34mm spacing of the Fox/Bomber. The Chubbie WAS the wide shock at the time, but I think the others have caught up.

IME, valving is just not that forgiving for significantly different LRs. When it is, it has to make a significant compromise for performance, as with the CCDB or Fox X2 type shocks. This is physics. What is far more likely is that tune on the Jade X hits smack dab on what your frame requires. This probably has a lot more to do with the differences that are felt between shocks on different frames. This is why one person buys a Bomber CR and it feels like the best shock on a frame, another buys a RS Super Deluxe coil for a different frame, yet another gets a Jade for their (different) bike, they all swear theirs is the feeling shock out of all they have tried.

My Jade is just a couple weeks old, on a new frame.

Really, the claim you are making is because it works so well on your bike, but the physics of flow and how the circuits work dictate that it cannot work for significantly different LRs and rider weights. What you have to do there is adjust the HSC and HSR significantly, in addition to the LS flow with the needle shapes and range. You can't attempt to force more fluid through there without it feeling different, which is what a higher LR will do.

"The high/low compression now work dynamically"...as opposed to statically?

I'm valving shocks myself these days, if it were really as simple as "really nailing the compression and rebound tune", all of the manufacturers would have done this a long time ago, since it would have saved so much money from having to produce different tunes for difference LRs, different weight riders, different LCs, conditions, etc.

Again, it sounds more like this shock nails the requirements for your frame, which is good. They seem to be pretty solid shocks, but you are claiming things that really don't make sense. I have no intention of changing the Jade on the bike it's mounted on, seems to work good, but I'd also rather have LSC and HSC to tune my shock.

 

[233946]

IME, valving is just not that forgiving for significantly different LRs. When it is, it has to make a significant compromise for performance, as with the CCDB or Fox X2 type shocks. This is physics. What is far more likely is that tune on the Jade X hits smack dab on what your frame requires. This probably has a lot more to do with the differences that are felt between shocks on different frames. This is why one person buys a Bomber CR and it feels like the best shock on a frame, another buys a RS Super Deluxe coil for a different frame, yet another gets a Jade for their (different) bike, they all swear theirs is the feeling shock out of all they have tried.

Really, the claim you are making is because it works so well on your bike, but the physics of flow and how the circuits work dictate that it cannot work for significantly different LRs and rider weights. What you have to do there is adjust the HSC and HSR significantly, in addition to the LS flow with the needle shapes and range. You can't attempt to force more fluid through there without it feeling different, which is what a higher LR will do.

"The high/low compression now work dynamically"...as opposed to statically?

I'm valving shocks myself these days, if it were really as simple as "really nailing the compression and rebound tune", all of the manufacturers would have done this a long time ago, since it would have saved so much money from having to produce different tunes for difference LRs, different weight riders, different LCs, conditions, etc.

Again, it sounds more like this shock nails the requirements for your frame, which is good. They seem to be pretty solid shocks, but you are claiming things that really don't make sense. I have no intention of changing the Jade on the bike it's mounted on, seems to work good, but I'd also rather have LSC and HSC to tune my shock.

This 100x. People ignore the two most important factors: 1) The matching of the components to the bike, and 2) the matching of the components to the rider. Two bikes with the same leverage ratio, but different progressivity curves will require different tunes. Two bikes with the same progressivity curves but different leverage ratios will required different tunes. This is before you get into details like antisquat and the tuning adjustments to low speed. The individual tune needed is a function of the suspension on the bike, rider weight, and rider preference. Then you have to look at the front of the bike and tuning the fork to match the rear.

The real problem is that most people are blindingly slapping shocks on bikes and some shocks match well and some don't. Suspension manufactures (except for Manitou to a limited extent) refuse to provide dyno curves of their different tunes and the effect of the external adjusters, so the end users are left with a game of guess which shock is going to best match their bike, weight, and preferences. Frame manufactures have to purchases shocks that 1) meet their pricepoint for the frame, and 2) have a tune, that at best is about right for riders in the 160-180 pound range.

People spend way too much time focused on the individual gimmicks of shocks, rather than the matching and actual performance. When you get down to it, there are only two basic shock designs in use, a monotube with an IFP, or a twin tube with a recirculation system. Assuming the pistons adequately flow in a monotube (which is the majority of shocks) they can be retuned within reason to get a match for the bike and rider being used on. My son's new frame just came with a Float X and he wanted to know about swapping to a Topaz. The answer is no, ride it and if it isn't right, we will send it off to Craig at Avalanche and have him reshim it (or I will do it by trial and error).

 

[guim]

Hi all!
Just to add to what Gman said, I also own a Jade X since last year and I am still amazed at how well it works. I am 180lbs with kit and it's installed on a '20 Meta AM with a Cane Creek progressive spring. I have used te3-position compression lockout once and turned it back to open a few seconds after. Rebound is around 3/4 out from closed (can't remember exaclty how many clicks) and it's quite fast, which I like.

I initially wanted the regular Jade for the added adjustments, but due to supply issues in June last year, the Jade wasn't coming in stock until July. Wanting to finish my new build, I decided to get the Jade X and see what happens. I then bought the regularJade when they came back in stock and never installed it yet. I sent it to DVO recently so they could instal the new thicker black shaft and rebound needle on it since I have a clevis driven shock and wanted the strongest setup possible.

The Jade x will be due for a service this winter but I haven't had any issue with it at all, and it still feels like new after 80hours. I check the bladder pressure once in a while and it never changed. Buying the regular Jade was probably unnecessary as I don't know if I could find the same sweet spot as the Jade X haha. But I like to try stuff so it's part of the fun and it will be something new to try next summer.

All in all, if you want a set and forget shock that works awesome, the Jade X is excellent. Oh, and I also ride a Diamond D2 with the OTT st the softest setting and it feels perfect too. Open compression, rebound 1 click from open, nothing to say. I had a Cane Creek Helm Coil Mk1 this summer and never gelled with it before sending it to warranty. We'll see if it's better afterwards, but the Diamond feels so much better. I think that DVO really nailed their tunes for the kind of riding that I do : Black and double black trails in rocky and often wet Quebec terrain.

 

[Gman086]

Pretty sure the spring is the same width on the Chubbie. The Jade has the wider 36mm spacing like the CC and RS, not the narrower 34mm spacing of the Fox/Bomber. The Chubbie WAS the wide shock at the time, but I think the others have caught up.

IME, valving is just not that forgiving for significantly different LRs. When it is, it has to make a significant compromise for performance, as with the CCDB or Fox X2 type shocks. This is physics. What is far more likely is that tune on the Jade X hits smack dab on what your frame requires. This probably has a lot more to do with the differences that are felt between shocks on different frames. This is why one person buys a Bomber CR and it feels like the best shock on a frame, another buys a RS Super Deluxe coil for a different frame, yet another gets a Jade for their (different) bike, they all swear theirs is the feeling shock out of all they have tried.

My Jade is just a couple weeks old, on a new frame.

Really, the claim you are making is because it works so well on your bike, but the physics of flow and how the circuits work dictate that it cannot work for significantly different LRs and rider weights. What you have to do there is adjust the HSC and HSR significantly, in addition to the LS flow with the needle shapes and range. You can't attempt to force more fluid through there without it feeling different, which is what a higher LR will do.

"The high/low compression now work dynamically"...as opposed to statically?

I'm valving shocks myself these days, if it were really as simple as "really nailing the compression and rebound tune", all of the manufacturers would have done this a long time ago, since it would have saved so much money from having to produce different tunes for difference LRs, different weight riders, different LCs, conditions, etc.

Again, it sounds more like this shock nails the requirements for your frame, which is good. They seem to be pretty solid shocks, but you are claiming things that really don't make sense. I have no intention of changing the Jade on the bike it's mounted on, seems to work good, but I'd also rather have LSC and HSC to tune my shock.

See, that's the thing, it does NOT match the requirements of my frame... I have to use a progressive rate spring to keep from bottoming out and am one click out from fully closed on rebound. IOW no where CLOSE to optimum for my frame yet it still kills it. Furthermore the shock is easily rebuildable AND tunable yourself (no nitrogen charge, full shimming details on DVO website). It's one thing for me to preach about it on MY bike but when EVERYONE who rides it (with all their different leverage ratios) are saying the same thing then... things that make ya go HMMMMM! It defies logic. They really nailed it for a trail/enduro shock and I'm not associated with DVO in any way.

Cheers,

G

 

[Jayem]

So you are saying they’ve done something that no one in the history of suspension has achieved yet?

 

[Gman086]

So you are saying they’ve done something that no one in the history of suspension has achieved yet?

Let's just say that their damping tune is about as "universal" as you can get and I'll leave it at that. This business of sending every shock to PUSH or AVY or even the OEM is no longer a requirement and I'll put my reputation on the line with that statement because anyone can shim a Jade X to their liking easily at home. There is NOT another shock like it at the moment and all this old school thinking is just flat out wrong (keep in mind I'm talking about a shorter travel trail/enduro bike with a shorter shock stroke which is probably part of the equation).

Have FUN!

G MAN

 

[fatesjester]

So I've just picked up a Jade X, and from a non-expert but theoretically-minded perspective, it is an absolute hell of a shock. I fitted it to a 2020 Commencal Meta AM 29, replacing an admittedly underspecced RS Deluxe Select +

The "Open" mode is incredibly smooth, responsive, and supportive when you need it. The "firm" mode is quite literally making this 160mm enduro sled into a hardtail. This is just insame IMO. The "mid" option is a bit of no-mans land. Probably good for rough climbs or super smooth flow trails.

This shock in particular was rebuilt by the awesome NZ DVO dealer out of the box so I expect it will last for quite a while compared to regular factory builds.

 

[Blatant]

I’ve owned multiple DVO suspension products, including a Jade on a previous Banshee Prime and a Jade X on a Ripmo. Overall outstanding products. I try not to be a hype machine, but the Jade X is at least AS GOOD as any other off-the-shelf coil shock on the market.

And it’s generally cheaper and user serviceable. Not important until you get the news that the turnaround time on your DHX2 service is 8 weeks.

 

[jpjp18]

Hi all!
Just to add to what Gman said, I also own a Jade X since last year and I am still amazed at how well it works. I am 180lbs with kit and it's installed on a '20 Meta AM with a Cane Creek progressive spring. I have used te3-position compression lockout once and turned it back to open a few seconds after. Rebound is around 3/4 out from closed (can't remember exaclty how many clicks) and it's quite fast, which I like.

I initially wanted the regular Jade for the added adjustments, but due to supply issues in June last year, the Jade wasn't coming in stock until July. Wanting to finish my new build, I decided to get the Jade X and see what happens. I then bought the regularJade when they came back in stock and never installed it yet. I sent it to DVO recently so they could instal the new thicker black shaft and rebound needle on it since I have a clevis driven shock and wanted the strongest setup possible.

The Jade x will be due for a service this winter but I haven't had any issue with it at all, and it still feels like new after 80hours. I check the bladder pressure once in a while and it never changed. Buying the regular Jade was probably unnecessary as I don't know if I could find the same sweet spot as the Jade X haha. But I like to try stuff so it's part of the fun and it will be something new to try next summer.

All in all, if you want a set and forget shock that works awesome, the Jade X is excellent. Oh, and I also ride a Diamond D2 with the OTT st the softest setting and it feels perfect too. Open compression, rebound 1 click from open, nothing to say. I had a Cane Creek Helm Coil Mk1 this summer and never gelled with it before sending it to warranty. We'll see if it's better afterwards, but the Diamond feels so much better. I think that DVO really nailed their tunes for the kind of riding that I do : Black and double black trails in rocky and often wet Quebec terrain.

According to your input,
*every new bike with it's original suspension needs to be custom tuned for the rider
*every newly bought suspension needs to be custom tuned for the rider and his bike

That's one of the reason that I've got my fork and shock fully tuned for me and my bike from DVO.
And it really does make a difference.

 

[guim]

@jpjp18 I think that you've quoted the wrong post, but I do agree that suspension that's been tuned for a specific bike and rider will make a difference for sure.

 

[olivierhacking]

I weigh 195lbs with kit and run a 525/650 Prorate spring on my JadeX. Bladder at 185 to 190psi, based on values recommended online. What I am after is a 'softer' feeling rear end. It's almost as if I have too much support (running 30% sag now already).

Would changing to 180psi be an issue with my weight? Thinking of cavitation... Any opinions welcome!

 

[adamneula]

So you're saying the 3 way switch actually works well and has noticeable differences, but then above two master tuners are saying they think there is little to no difference between open and mid settings? Wonder why there is this discrepancy? I've also read a few other reviews of the Jade X, and they too are glowing and state that it is a fantastic shock and better than any other brand/model they've tried. Wondering why riders are saying they work so well and yet tuners are saying it's not that great and sort of gimmicky? Not that they are saying it's bad, just that it's not all DVO claims it is.

Is it because of the lack of adjustability on the Jade X and this: "the Jade has a better compression circuit with adjustable high and low speed compression." Is the compression circuit tunable from DVO through their custom tune program? And if so, then wouldn't that allow you to get the Jade X running as good or better than a stock Jade?

And how big of a deal is it to not have adjustable high and low speed compression? I know if a good tuner gets into a shock, they can change/tune the internals so that it almost doesn't even need external adjustment ability. So would that be the case here as well with the Jade X? If DVO did a custom tune for me, would it then perform much better and be a worthy shock? Or still be limited and have issues?

Just trying to get a sense of HOW important is it to have the ability to adjust the LSC/HSC and LSR/HSR? And same question about the compression circuit. Can't DVO just tune the Jade X to be as good or better than a stock Jade? Or is that not how it works?

I'm strongly considering getting a Marzocchi Bomber CR custom tuned, or something like the DVO Jade/Jade X or CC DB Kitsuma Coil? I know getting ANY shock custom tuned to me, my weight, height, riding style, bike, trails, etc is always going to be better than a stock shock. But how much am I loosing by not having the 4 adjustable parameters of LSC/HSC, LSR/HSR? That is one of the reasons why DVO or CC is attracting me. And DVO can custom tune the shock to me, so that plus having lots of adjustability would give me lots of control over the shock for different conditions.

Ik this is kind of an old thread, but I'll just say custom tuning is a much bigger pain than turning a knob. Additionally, I've found hsc really useful on coils because they let you tune later into the stroke better than with just lsc. Overall my opinion is that lsc and hsc are both good, but hsr is kind of a gimmick and not totally neccesary.

 

[kapusta]

FYI If you buy the Jade or Jade X from DVO, they will do a custom tune for $100.

I had them tune a Topaz T3 for me for my me and my Tilt and it feels amazing. Not sure how it would have felt in stock format.

 

[bansaiman]

I have a Bomber cr which I already Liked in my 140mm reartravel trailbike. But I send IT to M-suspensiontech which Exchanges all Pistons and valves in the shock inclusive custom valving For 150 Euro. You do Not have a climb Switch but around 12 clicks lsc. It really Made the shock a whole Other beast. As the Bike ist already really progressive I do Not Need an HBO in this Bike. But nevertheless ,ou would Not Need more shock For this Applikation. Recommend

 

[DavidInRacine]

Jeff Lanosky did a great Jade X review in 2020. Be forewarned he got the left and right video panels reversed at 6:15 on the drop. Watch the switch position so you don‘t confuse his narration. Otherwise great.

Does anybody have comments about Jade X valve reliability or other failures 3-4 years out?

(Ripmo V2 owner coming off a Fox FF X2 shock.)

 

[Jayem]

I'll start my reply by calling out Jayem because I consider most of his posts accurate and I consider him an "influencer"... states that he's tried "DVO" but not specifically the Jade X. Well I own one. It is, WITHOUT QUESTION, the most foolproof coil shock I've ever used (just make sure you get the spring rate right) and a NIGHT AND DAY improvement over any stock shock I've ever ridden. I've owned Avy modified coils. PUSH modified coils and airs, World Cup modified X-Fusions, you name it. The Jade X is the best trail/enduro shock out-of-the-box that this planet has seen and I'll put my reputation on that statement. You can change the IFP pressure with an air pump trailside, shim stack it any way you want (GOODBYE $300 custom tunes!!!) and rebuild it entirely at home no problemo. The old school BS in this thread makes me want to hurl. I am in no way sponsored by DVO but I do TELL IT LIKE IT IS as most of you already know. Apparently Remy Metallier also thinks the same...

But hey, what do we know?

Have FUN!

THE G MAN

PS - My advice is to only comment on things you have actually tried. I've been guilty of jumping to conclusions before and have eaten crow... doesn't taste good!

I have both a DVO Jade and a Jade X right now. Both are poop. Their damping is just crazy light and while it seems they can eat sharp edged bumps at low speed, they don't have any stability and are just crazy pogo-sticks rather than good dampers. This post about the DVO being "the best the world has ever seen" is still idiotic...even in 2024.