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I guess my plan with the 3m 2228 tape was to pull the bladder entirely and place a 5mm diameter circular patch of tape on the inside wall of the bladder over the hole (which is less than 1mm). That way when pressurized the tape would be compressed against the interior wall of the bladder. I guess where it would fail is if the mastic tape doesn't bond well to the nitrile bladder, and then I have crap floating around in the damper gumming up the valves.
 
Thanks for your input. I assumed rubberized mastic tape (3M 2228) falls under the category of self-almagamating tape. I know that there is also another version that is 'double-sided' (2229), not rubberized on one side. For this application would 2229 offer something 2228 would not?
2228 is self fusing and that's what I'd use. I would not use 2229 since you want it to be homogenous,
 
So I changed my stack on Charger 2.1 RC2 to 18x0.10 (x5), 16x0.10 (x2), 14x0.10 but I would like to try a bit stiffer.
If I want to swap one of those 18x0.10 with a 18x0.15, which one should I choose? One that is closest to the piston or the furthest? Does it matter at all? What would be the difference?
 
Heh, not really :) I just have one spare Ch2.1 RC2 lying around so I'm using it for experimenting/testing/learning.. But to be honest, I didn't find it like THAT stiff.. sure, its noticeable stiffer than stock, but overall, there are 8 shims now and I saw some stacks with 10 shims so there is still some room to go :D
 
So I changed my stack on Charger 2.1 RC2 to 18x0.10 (x5), 16x0.10 (x2), 14x0.10 but I would like to try a bit stiffer.
If I want to swap one of those 18x0.10 with a 18x0.15, which one should I choose? One that is closest to the piston or the furthest? Does it matter at all? What would be the difference?
How heavy are you and does your LSC knob work?
 
I'm around 200 lbs (90 kg) with all the gear.. and yes, LSC is working fine, can definitely feel the difference between clicks. Currently riding it with HSC fully open and LSC 6 clicks from open, 75 psi, 2 tokens.
 
I'm around 200 lbs (90 kg) with all the gear.. and yes, LSC is working fine, can definitely feel the difference between clicks. Currently riding it with HSC fully open and LSC 6 clicks from open, 75 psi, 2 tokens.
Close LSC and see how you get on.
 
First, thank you all for the information in this thread.

I am heavy (230lbs kitted) and ride relatively hard. My fork is a 2022 Lyrik with Charger 2.1 RC with no modifications. I run 3 volume spacers. Pressure is 95psi to get ~25% sag.

It has already been discussed in this thread that this damper is horribly under-damped for both LSC and HSC. The LSC adjustment does nothing. The HSC is simply non-existent. So I decided to change the shim stack today and went in and kept it simple by swapped all the shims out for 0.15mm thick versions while keeping the qty and diameters the same. So I now have: piston, 18x0.15, 16x0.15, 14x0.15, clamp. In theory this should increase the stack stiffness by ~3.4 times the original stiffness. Unfortunately I cant test the performance on a trail until the winter is over so all I can do now is bounce around in my garage. Honestly, it doesnt feel much different.

The LSC adjustment still does nothing but I guess this makes sense because the LSC is based on the needle valve bypass. I guess the only way for this LSC adjustment to work would be to increase the viscosity of the oil? I just used some Maxima 5W fork fluid that I had for my motorcycle which has comparable cSt viscosity (it's not the mtb-specific "PLUSH" stuff).
 
I'm no expert in this field, but I think your stack is still too soft, especially when considering your weight.
Maybe I'm wrong, but LSC will work with stiffer HSC stack, since if you have soft HSC, it will partially open even with slower shaft speeds and therefore divert some oil flow through it, so LSC wont have much effect. With stiffer HSC less oil will be forced through it and LSC will be more dominant setting for slow speeds. With my HSC stack, which is stiffer than yours, I can definitely feel the LSC changes.
 
Dano91, is your stack still 18x0.10 (x5), 16x0.10 (x2), 14x0.10? If so, I estimate this stack to be between 3 and 4 times stiffer then stock which would put it in the range of my 3.4 times.

I agree that if oil is activating the stack during slow shaft speeds then the LSC needle valve circuit will have no effect.

It could also be the case that the LSC needle valve circuit is just simply not restrictive enough across the entire adjustment range. But if you can notice changes then this is likely not the case.
 
Dano91, is your stack still 18x0.10 (x5), 16x0.10 (x2), 14x0.10? If so, I estimate this stack to be between 3 and 4 times stiffer then stock which would put it in the range of my 3.4 times.

I agree that if oil is activating the stack during slow shaft speeds then the LSC needle valve circuit will have no effect.

It could also be the case that the LSC needle valve circuit is just simply not restrictive enough across the entire adjustment range. But if you can notice changes then this is likely not the case.
Yes, i'm still running that stack. Just noticed you mentioned you have RC, not RC2 - doesn't it have different needle geometry?
 
I'm quite interested in the received wisdom that the Lyrik RC2 is underdamped for compression. I'm 250 kitted out and according to Shockwiz I run 110psi, no tokens, fully open on compression and with 18 clicks of Rebound. It runs great, if a little harsh on fast small (2-3") stutter type rocks. Way less harsh than any other fork I've tried though.
 
Update on my stack change. I replaced all shims with same OD but 1.5x thicker (from 0.1mm to 0.15mm). I got out on two rides recently and love it. My first ride I only used ~80% of travel where last season I would definitely have used it all. The added damping allowed me to remove a volume spacer (went from 3 to 2) because I dont need the extra support near end of stroke.
 
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