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My Manitou elastomer suspension felt a lot better than rigid bikes but that was what I knew at the time. The main problem I had with it was that the elastomers crumbled into pieces way too easily. I had to keep a ziplock bag full of spares in my Camelback for mid ride replacement. Hopefully the materials are more durable this time.
I hope you didn't get them mixed up with your gummy snacks.
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Just think of the same concept as Fasst Co Flex bars. Same thing but built into the fork. Unfortunately, unlike the Flex Bars you cannot get different elastomers to dial in stiffness.
 
Everyone is speculating with most of you not actually having ridden a new RockShox fork yet. I can say that my new ZEB with the buttercups is a huge improvement over the previous generation. Do the buttercups actually do anything? I don't know, but I do know that the small bump is much better and overall the fork is much more controlled. Maybe a combination of everything including the buttercups, or maybe just a combo of the damper and new airspring. Either way, I have been really surprised by the performance of the new fork.
 
Then it's an older model fork ;)
 
Then it's an older model fork ;)
The Buttercups do not come on all the current high end models of RockShox. For example I have the option to add them to my 38mm RockShox ZEB Select+ fork. As it is right now I'm pretty pleased with mine as is. Maybe down the road (at rebuild time) it might be a good upgrade.
 
Those bushings in a car are for ride and handling, not "noise". That's only a secondary effect. They have very specific stiffness and they're directional as well.

The buttercups in the Zeb work very well in the right scenario, which is high frequency (think 10Hz+) and low amplitude. The tires have nearly zero damping effect to them relative to their spring stiffness (until you air them down super low) so they have very high transient force at certain frequencies. That's where the buttercups do their job.
Your fork lowers cannot respond at 10+Hz. A 40lb/in spring on 3kg unsprung gives you ~8Hz. That's before you throw in damping and friction.

Ride in a car is the reaction to spring and damper rates. Compliant bushings can only move a few percent of stroke and have very limited effect in ride. Their primary purpose is NVH reduction.
Handling brings into effect roll bars (sway bars) and their mountings can have a huge effect on the total stiffness of the roll-bar setup.

One car I owned had rubber blocks 3" high as inboard sway bar mounts that were about 60-70cm apart. The deflection in those possibly halved the sway bar rate. Replacing them with solid blocks would roughly double the bar stiffness.
There is no other bushing in a strut suspension that has the same effect.

Replace the strut top bushings in a car with solids and you'll hate the increase in NVH with no perceptible change in ride.
 
Just think of the same concept as Fasst Co Flex bars. Same thing but built into the fork. Unfortunately, unlike the Flex Bars you cannot get different elastomers to dial in stiffness.
Having had those bars and run them for a while, I don't think buttercups come even close to the benefit those bars provide. Those bars are the only thing that completely eliminated hand fatigue and pain for me, but I doubt they mitigate vibration much especially given how much friction is in the pivots and how firm the elastomers are. They do a great job of absorbing larger impacts that would otherwise go to your hands, though. There are trails I completed without stopping due to hand pain for the first time in 5 years after putting those bars on, but running a Lyrik Ultimate...not the same outcome or result.

Most reviews also complained about small bump sensitivity and increased fatigue compared to earlier models, something I would've thought buttercups would help with if the marketing is to be believed. I didn't have issues with small bump sensitivity yet (time will tell), but I can say the level of hand fatigue I had was on par with or slightly more than other forks I've run. That's subject to many factors and I need more time to really conclude how it does, but I don't think it comes close to comparing to the Fasst bars and I am not convinced I see much of an improvement over other forks I've used. It might be better than if they weren't in place on the same fork, though, but the only way to verify would be to replace them with a metal insert.

I found the fork better than I expected based on reviews, maybe buttercups are part of that, I'm just skeptical unless it's solving some other problem specific to their forks that isn't evident until they are removed. I've ridden several new forks in the last few weeks that didn't have them and were comparable (or even better) in feel.
 
Everyone is speculating with most of you not actually having ridden a new RockShox fork yet. I can say that my new ZEB with the buttercups is a huge improvement over the previous generation. Do the buttercups actually do anything? I don't know, but I do know that the small bump is much better and overall the fork is much more controlled. Maybe a combination of everything including the buttercups, or maybe just a combo of the damper and new airspring. Either way, I have been really surprised by the performance of the new fork.
See, this is suspect. How DID RS produce a fork, the previous fork, that sucked so much, with so much experience? Like, either they had no F-ing idea what they were doing before 2023, the difference is not that big, or bike suspension is pretty sucky in general (mostly true).
 
I'm sure in lab testing, they get different readouts with/without.

In real world, who knows.

My hunch is that this is a way to keep forks feeling better longer since people don't like to keep up on lower service.
 
Having had those bars and run them for a while, I don't think buttercups come even close to the benefit those bars provide.
What is surprising is they make the Flexx bars for mountain bikes. Only low rise though:( I have been running Flexx bars on all my off road motorcycles for almost 20 years.
 
What is surprising is they make the Flexx bars for mountain bikes. Only low rise though:( I have been running Flexx bars on all my off road motorcycles for almost 20 years.
I spent a good hour and a half on the phone talking to the owner a few years back when I got mine, he has similar issues as me and similarly had 0 luck with doctors and other solutions on the market.

They work well, but I feel they are a bit of a crutch for me, when I have a poor diet and my fitness is in the toilet like it is right now, my issues are far more pronounced. I have a trapped nerve that my drs refused to do anything about, so I have tried a lot of things to mitigate it and those bars are the only thing that stopped it entirely. I'm not using them at the moment mainly because I'm trying ti bars and to find some other solutions, I don't like being tied to them despite the fact they work well. I know folks who had more significant issues who are otherwise fit and they worked wonders for them, also. They do make a big difference, even if there is some room for improvement in their design.
 
See, this is suspect. How DID RS produce a fork, the previous fork, that sucked so much, with so much experience? Like, either they had no F-ing idea what they were doing before 2023, the difference is not that big, or bike suspension is pretty sucky in general (mostly true).
Suspect because I said the fork has better small bump and is more controlled? Incremental improvements add up to make a better product over time. I think they might call it innovation. My biggest gripe with the old ZEB was I could have great small bump compliance or great midstroke support, not both. With the new fork I have already found settings that I am very happy with that keep the fork higher in the travel, which in turn offers more control, and better small bump compliance than I could ever get with the previous generation. Not sure what part of that is so hard to believe.
 
See, this is suspect. How DID RS produce a fork, the previous fork, that sucked so much, with so much experience? Like, either they had no F-ing idea what they were doing before 2023, the difference is not that big, or bike suspension is pretty sucky in general (mostly true).
But this one has buttercups
 
When are we going to see Buttercup tech cross over to coil 'n oil forks? Asking for a friend.
 
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