[ozvena]

There are some folks who keep misinterpreting what I have wrote here and use it as arguments to steer the readers to one direction only or to beef up their egos (post-purchase syndrome) so I have decided to remove all what I have said here and no longer participate in any discussions where these people are likely to participate.

 

[dogonfr]

Right under the words Add To Cart it says Geometry if you click on that you will find numbers. :thumbsup:

Was this your LBS that tryed to sell you a 19" bike

 

[ozvena]

There are some folks who keep misinterpreting what I have wrote here and use it as arguments to steer the readers to one direction only or to beef up their egos (post-purchase syndrome) so I have decided to remove all what I have said here and no longer participate in any discussions where these people are likely to participate.

 

[dogonfr]

Thanks for the effort, now I see it too:

Effective Top-Tube Length
22" 23" 24"

And this is pretty cool that they have listed it as "Effective" :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

No, it was one of the 'new' 3-frame size internet company like thous that pop up like mushrooms after a rain. And I called them twice and spoke to all the two people I could get on the phone coz I had hard time believing it. Man am I glad I did not get this 3-frame size company frame?

Experiances like that will sour ones taste for the rest, sorry you had a bad experiance but you were at least smart enough to know better. Others that may not no better are or could be on the wrong size bikes.:madmax:

Just so all know my Atlas is always ready for a test ride in real world conditions but im in NorCal so i didn't offer it up. No i dont work for them just like riding & getting more people involved.

 

[Hawseman]

I'm not saying that the Heckler is a bad bike...in fact, just the opposite. It's one bike that can can be configured from light XC to freeride. 6" travel is great for FR/DH, but a little much for all mountain (this forum), but I understand your point...the frame IS tough. It's a very popular bike....I just don't see/read any REAL benefit of more money for the Heckler frame, as compared to the Atlas.

p.s.
I'm just joking about colors...they actually make my mouth water, thinking about fruit. Black looks rockin'....or is that "midnight lunar eclipse"...

 

[s62]

um, 6" too much? Seems to be the standard for the Enduro, Nomad, Reign... kings of the AM hill.

 

[Cookie Monstrr]

While you be be getting the same suspension technology, there is a LOT more to consider when purchasing a bike. One is the build quality (quality of welds and stuff). Another is how the suspension is set up. Bikes can with the same basic suspension can feel a lot different depending on the pivot placement. You would also have to choose which geometry suits you better too.

Personally, I think the Heckler is overpriced (sort of want one but can't afford) and I a bit uneasy about ordering a bike I have never ridden before. So unless you can test an Atlas first I would go with a Prophet.

That's my $0.02 CAD.

 

[dogonfr]

That's my $0.02 CAD.

:thumbsup: Nice

 

[Hawseman]

All excellent bikes, I agree, but we're talking single pivots here...

I think you'll find that 5.5" is about the current limit of SP bikes with today's technologies.

Maybe I meant to say 6+ inches. The 130mm rear travel of the IBEX is only .4" less than the Prophet and the Heckler (both single pivots, btw). Stick a 6"+ fork and you feel like your doing wheelies on flat ground....not ideal for climbing.

The Enduro and Nomad are 6"+ travel, but not quite single pivot bikes. Any extra linkages will lower shock efficencies and transfer energies to the frame/pivots/faux/link.....physics. Nothing against these bikes, they ride excellently....I just prefer the simplicity and durability of the ole' single pivot.

 

[Hawseman]

.............

So unless you can test an Atlas first I would go with a Prophet.

That's my $0.02 CAD.

Lefties scare the crap outta me....:eekster:

 

[dogonfr]

All excellent bikes, I agree, but we're talking single pivots here...

I think you'll find that 5.5" is about the current limit of SP bikes with today's technologies.

Maybe I meant to say 6+ inches. The 130mm rear travel of the IBEX is only .4" less than the Prophet and the Heckler (both single pivots, btw). Stick a 6"+ fork and you feel like your doing wheelies on flat ground....not ideal for climbing.

The Enduro and Nomad are 6"+ travel, but not quite single pivot bikes. Any extra linkages will lower shock efficencies and transfer energies to the frame/pivots/faux/link.....physics. Nothing against these bikes, they ride excellently....I just prefer the simplicity and durability of the ole' single pivot.

Cchek out Orange
http://www.orangebikes.co.uk/2007bikes/bikes.php

Ibex Atlas 5" travel
http://www.ibexbikes.com/Bikes/ATLAS-PRO-Details.html

130mm = 5.118 iinches :thumbsup:

 

[monkeyfist23]

Lefties scare the crap outta me....:eekster:

WORD! I have a real problem with all these companies that insist on using proprietary components. It's kinda like instead of doing one thing and doing one thing well, they have to do everything sacrificing quality inorder to lock customers into their product. Not saying that c-dale makes inferior products, by no means, but my draw to the heckler was the fact that YOU could truly customize it with a variety of shocks, forks, and various components to make the bike that YOU want not what some company thinks you want or what you should be riding. And as far as IBEX goes, I have a bad taste in my mouth from them. I bought a bike from them a couple years ago, and bent the rear triangle within 6 months. The frame is the cornerstone of a good bike and in my experience, Ibex couldn't deliver that.

 

[ozvena]

There are some folks who keep misinterpreting what I have wrote here and use it as arguments to steer the readers to one direction only or to beef up their egos (post-purchase syndrome) so I have decided to remove all what I have said here and no longer participate in any discussions where these people are likely to participate.

 

[theodash]

FWIW Prophets have been available with 'traditional' forks for awhile. Also, have never seen a complaint about a Prophet bent frame. Not saying it/they don't exist, just havn't seen one.

 

[s62]

No, Cannondale isn't sacrificing quality with the lefties. The lefties are an excellent design and work amazingly well, but yes, I hear you guys about proprietary components and hardwear. I'm not a fan either. The lefties are great, but I'm not ready to be sold to ONE and ONE ONLY brand of shock, etc.

 

[MaddSquirrel]

To the OP, I was in the same position that you are a couple of months ago and was considering the same 3 bikes. I went with the Heckler, because
1. I found it on closeout due to the new models
2. The most important, it was the one I was in love with

So, forget all this nonsense that this thread has turned into about which bike is better, single pivots sucks, lefties suck and crap. Go test ride the Prophet and the Heckler if possible. If it is not love at first site, then call of IBEX and have a talk with them about the Atlas. I think if you look at the Atlas's numbers it is very similar to the Heckler. Another Advantage to the Prophet is most do like the Leftie Fork (very stiff) and it the geometry can be adjust because it has two rear shock mounting holes. Just my opinion.

 

[monkeyfist23]

OH I knew I was gonna stir the pot with that post! I'm certainly not saying that c-dale makes bad bikes. As for proprietary components, Specialized as jumped into that stuff with things like the special DHX that they put on the enduro, and they have that new fsr with a special rear shock and dual crown fork made by fox. I don't know, I just don't like being told what 'best' for my bike. How do they know what kind of hills I climb or what kind surface I ride on?
I like working on my bike and making exactly how I want it. Thats all, no offense....

 

[kbdub]

Lastly, the Sport is spec'd like a $1000 bike. Try to stretch for the Expert. If you're looking at the Pro, just go Heckler.

Please find me another bike for under a grand that comes with these components that is not last years model.

I just purchased the Atlas. I was looking to spend 2-3 grand on a new Cannondale or Gary Fisher Hifi Pro (I just rode one on Sunday). I won't notice the difference between a 3k and a 1k bike for some time, and when that time comes I will splurge on what I want. I may hate riding and never touch my bike after my first time out. Who cares, I only spent a grand.
I'm a weekend warrior who hasn't been on a bike since my bmx/street days on a 20". At the end of the day your bike means crap. I have a snowboarding background and I see way more people dropping stuff on old crappy equipment than I see the rich kids who cruise the greens on their $2000 Burton set up. Bang for the buck goes to IBEX. So far all I have read about them has been 95% good.

btw..i could pulls 3's, no footers etc on a $270 GT Outpost trail (probably a 1995) off of 5-7' bmx jumps. That sub $300 bike took all I dished at it until after a year I dropped 5' onto pavement and landed wrong and the fork bent a little. I'm guessing the Atlas can handle this as well

 

[Cookie Monstrr]

Well if you decide on a prophet you could always get the Prophet 6 or 3z, both of which come with conventional forks. Even if you do decide to0 get a model with a Lefty you can always change it I'm sure. Might require a new front hub, stem, and reducer cups depending on the fork but still...

 

[ozvena]

There are some folks who keep misinterpreting what I have wrote here and use it as arguments to steer the readers to one direction only or to beef up their egos (post-purchase syndrome) so I have decided to remove all what I have said here and no longer participate in any discussions where these people are likely to participate.