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https://m.pinkbike.com/news/intend-edge-new-age-pressrelease.html

Anyone considering this product? If I'm honest with myself I just really dig the way it looks. And I would purchase it if it was just slightly better than what I currently have.

I'm aware the Edge had torsional flex issues with earlier versions which is inherent in USD MTB forks. However utilizing a 20 mm through axle clamped on both sides would have to increase rigidity dramatically. I mean that's how all motorcycles do it and those vehicles weigh much more and have more traction.

And then of course who knows about the damping circuit? Is it exceptional, is it average, is it below average? This is really the most important thing. Wish I could just drop my Avy cartridge into it. Who knows, that might be easier than anyone imagined.

The A2C is preferable on the Intend. Could run an extra 5mm of travel, or instead steepen the bike up slightly at the same travel which would suit me just fine.

I think from a stiction standpoint USD is clearly superior. This also makes the damping circuit even more critical as modern standard air forks get a decent amount of their damping from seal friction.

Weight of the Intend is on par, with my current fork with it's current mods. The location of the Intend's fork weight is preferable however as the heavier portion is at the crown for strength, instead of at the wheel end going up and down.

Currently I'm running a '19 Yari 160mm travel 42mm offset fork with Push low stiction seals & an Avalanche cartridge, which works very very well.

Thoughts or experience? Thanks.

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I love the idea. Like the looks, too.

Price slows me down a bit, but not as much as being an ocean apart from the manufacturer.

Once I think hard about ^ those two, I have a hard time seeing what real benefit I'd derive over the Lyrik I know and love.
 
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Suns_PSD said:
I'm aware the Edge had torsional flex issues with earlier versions which is inherent in USD MTB forks. However utilizing a 20 mm through axle clamped on both sides would have to increase rigidity dramatically. I mean that's how all motorcycles do it and those vehicles weigh much more and have more traction.
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For the 816th time, no, that is now how motorcycles do it. Motorcycles do not do a single crown inverted shock for anything resembling off-road.

They actually built this for motorcross...I'm not sure if it was a joke, but it existed and guess what happened? It snapped at the crown right away. I can't find that picture, but it's out there, somewhere in cyberspace, I've seen it. Marzocchi had a pretty big ego at those times...but very little engineering backing them up.


My shiver SC had a 20mm through axle. It was not rigid. It was scary as hell going through any technical terrain, as it wanted to "follow it's own path". Braking and cornering had the legs doing independent things. The reason it works for motorcross is a couple reasons, one, there's a second crown, dramatically reinforcing the rigidity. Two, they are travel amounts where you can no longer get enough bushing overlap. For MTB, that's anything over about 8". Three, they have massive reinforced crowns and virtually no steerer. There are some of these on road-bikes too, if you look at those, you'll notice like a foot between the crowns and about 2" of travel, so it's a massive amount of overlap and rigidity compared to a mtb fork.

But back to the bushing overlap, with a dual inverted crown fork, you get that increased area/distance where the lowers can slide into the uppers, allowing for way more bushing overlap for the same amount of travel if you had a single-crown inverted fork. With a single crown inverted fork, you are missing that critical important part that makes it work for motorcross and other applications!

Even the DC inverted mtb forks lose a ton of rigidity compared to right-side-up, these are full on DH forks with beefy stanchions and 20mm axles. It's a different application than motorcross and there are different design considerations. I've had 4 of these from 3 different companies and they all sucked. They mostly sucked because the chassis sucked.

Inverted forks for mtb make very little sense. When you start getting to inverted single-crown forks for MTB, it's just a stupid idea that needs to die. Someone keeps trying to breath life into it from time to time, but every single time, it's a bad idea. Sure, with exotic engineering and materials that cost a lot more, you can probably make something acceptable...but pour that money and development into a right-side-up fork and you'll end up with something far better, so again, no point.

It looks moto, that's about the only real benefit.

Lubrication can be handled with any decent open-bath or semi-open bath system. Yeah, some of these have sucked, but it's easily doable and has been done many times.

Unsprung weight is a myth, because there is such a tiny actual difference in unsprung weight when you add up all the unsprung parts, including those of the inverted fork (it still has them), it's just infinitesimally small. Cast fork lowers are relatively porus and extremely light. A different tire or refreshing your sealant is more of an unsprung weight difference.

Fore-and-aft is a bit more rigid, but you can negate that by going to larger stanchions for a very slight weight penalty on a normal fork, while avoiding the issues of piss-poor torsional rigidity. There are bigger concerns here as well, such as the steerer diameter and crown design.

And lastly, these are just piss-poor for torsional rigidity. The more travel they have and longer they are, the worse it gets, but I never rode one that I'd call "acceptable". More-so, they were just experiments (by myself) to see if there was anything to it. Nope.

Every single time, these are a turd.
 
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Reminds me of my old Halson PDS. Looks cool but I only run gear that has multiple vectors of repair. Don't want to wait for parts, don't want something unique.

I got all my Uber unique anodized purchases done in the 90's and just about every one of those manufacturers is closed with no parts, no support. That's shaded my view on most small production suspension companies. Lots of $ with no real guarantee of future support.
 
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I have had the chance to ride it for a couple of weeks. Here are my thoughts on it. There are English subtitles available.

@Jayhem Have you actually ridden the Intend Edge? It's people like you I have mentioned in my video too.

 
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I get it but to be fair my modified Yari doesn't let me down either. Honestly it's stupendous. My goal specifically is to buy the best fork, not just another good fork.

What I already notice on my Yari is that when going fast over rough terrain fast direction changes make some torsional flex obvious. The fact that I experience this on my normal fork, is what gives me pause with any USD fork. Well that and the fact that my lowers aren't just scratched, but are actually gauged and Germany is a long ways away for a repair.
 
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Okay, if your lowers are damaged and you always do that to them, then the Edge might not be the right fork after all.

Have you considered buying a Formula Selva? I have ridden the Yari and the Lyrik Ultimate Deluxe and the Selva Coil is far ahead of both of them.
 
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Jayem said:
And lastly, these are just piss-poor for torsional rigidity. The more travel they have and longer they are, the worse it gets, but I never rode one that I'd call "acceptable". More-so, they were just experiments (by myself) to see if there was anything to it. Nope.

Every single time, these are a turd.
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I had a ride with someone who had an Intend Hero, or Edge on his bike. Can't remember.

That fork was much stiffer than any of those noodles you mentioned.
He is a much better rider than me and was shreding pretty hard on this fork, made lot's of stoppies and front wheelies just for fun.
I nerver saw this fork flexing.

He told me that their is more side flex when turning the front wheel, but he liked it, because it made the front wheel attune to rocks and roots instead of just slipping over them.

I would love to try on of these forks.
If they just wouldn't be so pricy Q_Q
 
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OneTrustMan said:
He told me that their is more side flex when turning the front wheel, but he liked it, because it made the front wheel attune to rocks and roots instead of just slipping over them.
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I can second that. It's a treat doing stoppies and whatnot on this fork. They transmit so much more braking power or at least a feeling of it. Under hard braking, normal RSD forks tend to "studder", which the USD Intend doesn't.
 
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niconj said:
Okay, if your lowers are damaged and you always do that to them, then the Edge might not be the right fork after all.

Have you considered buying a Formula Selva? I have ridden the Yari and the Lyrik Ultimate Deluxe and the Selva Coil is far ahead of both of them.
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Gauging my lowers isn't a constant issue, but it's happened on my current 1.5 year old fork.

My hub is convertible to 20mm, and I really like the idea of the 20mm Ti front axle option on the New Age. Unfortunately I don't read German so am unable to read lots of rider reviews (rarely are they in English) and a $2k experiment is just too much.

I've heard good things about the Formula fork but it hasn't piqued my interest enough to pursue.
 

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Suns_PSD said:
Unfortunately I don't read German so am unable to read lots of rider reviews (rarely are they in English) and a $2k experiment is just too much.
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Go to Google Translate and put the URL for the webpage into the translate box. Choose languages and a new URL will be provided for that page translated into the language of your choice.

https://translate.google.com/?client=firefox-b-1-d&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&client=tw-ob#fr/en/
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Exactly, lol. It's so simple to get translations done nowadays, even if the translation is lacking, you'll be able to get a general idea of what you want to read.
 
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