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Anybody who thinks there's no point in riding a 26" is not a real rider. They're a poser who just HAS to have the latest bicycling underwear to be 'cool'.
What's next, the 29'er guys gonna say they're no good because 27.5 is here now? Get real. Ride what you like and do it for yourself. Don't ride to impress the other poser clowns who just HAVE to get that bicycling bra and not for their woman.
 
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no bikes are not cool

Well I'm about to upset my own thread now... But since it's my daggum thread, I'm gonna do it.

Until I rode this bike, I've never had the desire to ride anything by my 26" AMHT. My terrain is peppered with chunk, sandstone and limestone Cliff drops, monster trucking, baby heads... General chunk.

I've been considering the Stache for a while now, so I didn't take this step blindly.

It's the best trail bike I've ever ridden. Small drops up to 3 feet are confident and cake, log rides to wheelie drops are a no brainer with all that meaty traction, small doubles, tables, etc... It flies great!

For now, I've got no intention of selling my 26, but it will get less love.

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Man, you messed up your own post LOL!

I have all wheel sizes and each one has your place

the hardtail 29er has its place: on the garage
the 27.5 fullsuss has its place: competition, it´s my xc rig, 120mm travel, light weight everything from rims to tires, no dropper, etc, firm shock and forks, not so much fun.

the 26 full suss has its place: on the trails. a heavy bike because of the hops, mavic ex830 36h, 800g each rem alone, 850g each tire, dropper posts, everything that can make a bike heavier is there. I switched the original fork, fox factory 120mm with an old rockshox u-turn, that allows me change from 80 to 130mm, what makes this bike the real do-it-all bike. climb everything at 80mm, go downhill at 130mm. not much but this is a blast. not only, I know that if a piece of wood get into the wheels, it wil get destroyed by the sturdy stiff spokes i have. piece of mind... thinking on putting lighter wheels on her, but I think If I do all the other bikes will get sold.

Unfortunately I´ve bought myself a long travel 650b and I´m afraid my wife will oblige me to sell one of the bikes... hopefully I find a buyer for the 29er!

long story short: at 5"5 long legs, no wheelsize has better geometry for me than medium 26ers.

why 26ers?
because they are fun.
because soon as I started riding with my wife I could stop spending money trying to keep up with the other guys and ride what I really like. because it makes things harder and that´s the whole point of the sport. make myself better rider, make me balance better to get the better lines... fat bikes are fun? ow yeah I love fatties. once you go fat you never go back. they allow you to monstertruck over everything? yes. they are also minority? yes! people who hate 29ers love 26ers and fat bikes, puls bikes and baby fat bikes

conclusion: you have not messed up your post. you just reinforced bikes are meant to be fun.
 
Forgot to mention:

I have put my engineering degree to test and thought I should run the math before saying anything. People say big things about inertia but inertia alone doesn´t mean the full picture. Inertia only have a meaning when coupled with rotational speed. When you put the math together for rotational energy, which is what counts: power, there will be no difference on the wheel size because the radius that influence inertia values will be cancelled on the rotational speed equation. So it will come down to mass placement.

example: given two wheels, and the rim weight is exactly at 0.9 of the total radius, and they weight the same, no matter how big the rim is, the energy equation for that will be the same.

So fat tires might change things slightly as the rim will get proportionally inwards when compared to normal wheels. It will be good as the more centered the mass, the less energy it takes to rotate. however, fat tires are heavier so it might counter act things.

During my calculations, I´ve figured out that energy to rotate thes rims are something like 1/10th of the energy required to rotate the tires. So going tubeless and having reasonably light tires is the way to go. Spokes are 1/1000th of the tires so don´t mind if your wheel is heavy because of spokes. It is better to have a light rim with plenty of spokes than a heavy rim with less spokes. Both dinamically and structurally. Energy required to rotate the hubs are neglectible. its so small that you can consider it static weight.

Of course, rotating or not, every gram will have to be taken uphill and the work equation is mass times distance plus mass times gravity times height. divide them by time and you have power. Conclusion: if you have two riders with same power ability and same weight, completely equal, being one wiht a 20lbs bike and the other has a 30lbs bike. The lighter bike will take the podium as the total mass (rider+bike) is lesser.

26ers have the advantage of being lighter. two rims of same kind, two tires of same kind will always be lighter in 26er format than 29er format.

The next math topic comes into a different name: vibration. every time your bike chatter on the trail, every time it went up half an inch, the energy to lift the bike plus yourself came from the pedals. mass x gravity x height. that´s why we get slowed when things start vibrating. there are two ways to deal with that:
1 - bigger wheels
2 - good suspension

At this point, the conclusion is: good suspension trumps wheelsize. if youre tight on the budget, a cheap 29er will be more comfortable but heavier to pedal. a cheap 26er will be less comfortable and lighter to pedal.

an expensive 26er with good components will not let you down. So as an expensive 29er will also not let you down if you´re light rider and can deal the flexibility. cant be bigger and stiffer at same time. Smaller will always be stiffer. You can make the most of engineering th get a better stiffer 29er but the same technology applied to a 26er will render even better results.

When motorcycles remove the suspension or add locks to them, or move to bigger wheels, than we can review this topic. Meanwhile, the motorcycle wheels are smaller and they have good suspension.


more consideration on wheel sizes: small people get along on small bikes. big wheels on small bikes is the same as big bikes with small wheels. things are meant to be proportional. Look at the cars. big tires have more volume and help big heavy riders to run same pressure as small riders on small wheels. To me, small bikes, medium bikes, large bikes should all have proportional dimensions, with wheels getting bigger, chainstays getting bigger, wheelbase getting bigger, all in same proportion, ending up in similar handling regardless of size.
 
below you can find the equations. bear in mind that for the same linear speed of the bike bigger wheels will have lower rotational speed than smaller wheels. smaller wheels will have less inertia and higher rotational speed and vice versa for bigger wheels.

linear speed of the bike = V
mass = m
radius of the mass = r
Inertia = I = m.r^2
rotational speed = W = V . 2Pi / 2Pi.r = V/r
energy = e = I.W^2
energy = m.r^2 . v^2/r^2 = m.v^2

the final equation, when putting together inertia and rotational speed using the bike´s linear speed, you can see the radius get cancelled and the energy is purely mass times the square of the speed.

these equations are relevant for the mass in contact with soil, the maximum radius, which would be the tire treads. If you workout the inertia equation for the rim, the radius will be, lets say, 0.9r. So, if the other wheel in comparison has the same proportions, with the rim at 0.9r, things will be equal as well.

good luck now trying to convince somebody bigger wheels are faster just because they are big... take a look at race cars and monster trucks....
 
some peeps like all the new technology....some peeps don't. I fall into the last category. I like steep head angles, and less suspension. I don't like modern plastic vehicles. I go for real steel. I'm short, so I like 26er's....heck, even my motorcycle is a hardtail. Most peeps just like to ride barcaloungers. 26er's aren't going extinct....
 
below you can find the equations. bear in mind that for the same linear speed of the bike bigger wheels will have lower rotational speed than smaller wheels. smaller wheels will have less inertia and higher rotational speed and vice versa for bigger wheels.

linear speed of the bike = V
mass = m
radius of the mass = r
Inertia = I = m.r^2
rotational speed = W = V . 2Pi / 2Pi.r = V/r
energy = e = I.W^2
energy = m.r^2 . v^2/r^2 = m.v^2

the final equation, when putting together inertia and rotational speed using the bike´s linear speed, you can see the radius get cancelled and the energy is purely mass times the square of the speed.

these equations are relevant for the mass in contact with soil, the maximum radius, which would be the tire treads. If you workout the inertia equation for the rim, the radius will be, lets say, 0.9r. So, if the other wheel in comparison has the same proportions, with the rim at 0.9r, things will be equal as well.

good luck now trying to convince somebody bigger wheels are faster just because they are big... take a look at race cars and monster trucks....
Bigger wheels are faster if they are rolling over rocks and other obstacles. I've timed a 26" vs. a 27.5" on a very rocky trail, the 27.5" was almost 10% faster. Even more importantly, I enjoyed the 27.5" ride more than the 26". I don't even want to ride a 26" anymore on extremely rocky trails because it's more of a chore than an enjoyment. If you are on a flat surface that's a different story. The numbers above assume a flat smooth surface. That doesn't exist on a real trail. Look, if you have fun on a 26" that's great but don't say it's faster on a rocky trail unless you have real-world timing numbers.
 
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Bigger wheels are faster if they are rolling over rocks and other obstacles. I've timed a 26" vs. a 27.5" on a very rocky trail, the 27.5" was almost 10% faster. Even more importantly, I enjoyed the 27.5" ride more than the 26". I don't even want to ride a 26" anymore on extremely rocky trails because it's more of a chore than an enjoyment. If you are on a flat surface that's a different story. The numbers above assume a flat smooth surface. That doesn't exist on a real trail. Look, if you have fun on a 26" that's great but don't say it's faster on a rocky trail unless you have real-world timing numbers.
You are right. I have mentioned on the previous post that bigger wheels compensate for bad suspension. That's why cheaper 29ers seems faster, bringing the overall impression that bigger is faster. In fact, bigger is less prone to chattering and overall vibration, which might lead you to be faster for general trail riding. On the other hand, cheap = heavy = slower. For some trails, it will be a hindering fact. For others it will be not. I can even tell that I´m on the worst side of the equation as the 26 hops I ride are very very heavy, heavier than cheap 29er stuff. I think they came from a downhill bike. Here is where I find my fun. Make me work hard even if riding slow with my wife and I can do anything to the bike it will not bend the wheels.

I have fun on all my bikes 26, 27.5 and 29er (I have them all). No bike is not fun. Every bike is fun to ride on it´s own aspects. The fact that the 26er needs better line choice and more work to go along difficult rocky trails can be a fun factor for some people, while fun for other's is to go fast.

During my experiences, I've noticed that tires play a role, so important as wheel size. I ride some trails where it is very hard to find traction and I was giving up the 26er because of this. However, I've found later that different tires would provide traction and I was happy again riding the bikes that suited me. I never find a 650b or 29er which geometry suited me like a glove but I'm still looking for. I'm sure I will find it male version. My wife's 29er was great (because felt like 26er) and my wifes 650b is even greater.

The whole point of my manifesto was to say the 26ers are not obsolete just because the wheel size. There are great bikes around for very cheap and People can make advantage of this and have very good bikes and have lots of fun with them. All my 26er tech is above my other bikes tech because of the price. Except for my wife's bike, but her bike costed a car lol
 
Bigger wheels are faster if they are rolling over rocks and other obstacles. I've timed a 26" vs. a 27.5" on a very rocky trail, the 27.5" was almost 10% faster. Even more importantly, I enjoyed the 27.5" ride more than the 26". I don't even want to ride a 26" anymore on extremely rocky trails because it's more of a chore than an enjoyment. If you are on a flat surface that's a different story. The numbers above assume a flat smooth surface. That doesn't exist on a real trail. Look, if you have fun on a 26" that's great but don't say it's faster on a rocky trail unless you have real-world timing numbers.
Maybe so. But im on 29 remedy and still cant break my pr's from 2014. Versus a cannondale rz140. If you ride like 26 is holding you back it will. If you forget what wheel size you're on and just know the bike, and are going Balls to the walls trying to shave every second you can where ever you can.... it's more about you.
 
I did break most of my PR's going uphill within the first few rides though.... just not downhill.... everything it took me to get is fast as I could be before d h I just haven't done it yet. 6 months ago I didn't think I'd be able to beat any of those PR's ever again from 2014 but I actually think I can on this bike.... I just got to pay my dues and have a good day......

PS: I probably was faster Bank in the corners on the 26th for sure
 
26 feels faster, and for some of us, that is enough.
It does feel faster off the line so to speak. Whatever you like, you ride. I don't understand the inferiority complex here with the major manufacturers moving on to larger tire sizes. Are people really basing their identity on their tire sizes and their bike makes? I think one day someone should make an indie movie out of 26" bikes, titled something like The Rise and Fall of the 26" Mountain Bike Tire, 1978-2013. It may have fallen but it will never go away, don't worry.
 
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Bigger wheels are faster if they are rolling over rocks and other obstacles. I've timed a 26" vs. a 27.5" on a very rocky trail, the 27.5" was almost 10% faster. Even more importantly, I enjoyed the 27.5" ride more than the 26". I don't even want to ride a 26" anymore on extremely rocky trails because it's more of a chore than an enjoyment. If you are on a flat surface that's a different story. The numbers above assume a flat smooth surface. That doesn't exist on a real trail. Look, if you have fun on a 26" that's great but don't say it's faster on a rocky trail unless you have real-world timing numbers.
Here's some timing for you. 1.5 seconds faster on 26 compared to 27. Keep an eye on this guy next year. One of the fastest in the world as is and he's young.

https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/Maybe-26-Aint-Dead-Is-Laurie-Greenland-Being-Serious,1853
 
Bigger wheels are faster if they are rolling over rocks and other obstacles. I've timed a 26" vs. a 27.5" on a very rocky trail, the 27.5" was almost 10% faster. Even more importantly, I enjoyed the 27.5" ride more than the 26". I don't even want to ride a 26" anymore on extremely rocky trails because it's more of a chore than an enjoyment. If you are on a flat surface that's a different story. The numbers above assume a flat smooth surface. That doesn't exist on a real trail. Look, if you have fun on a 26" that's great but don't say it's faster on a rocky trail unless you have real-world timing numbers.
Were geometry and travel and tires and air pressure held consistent? There is one trail I ride that has a super steep rock garden full of 6" to 1' rocks. I'm literally twice as fast on it on my 26 as my 650b. But that's because the 26 is a dh rig designed to go fast on that type of trail and the 650b is a trail bike.

Mathematically the max difference of the angle of attack between a 26er and a 29er is like 8 percent. Even if that difference translated entirely into speed (which it doesn't) you won't see a 10 percent difference between a 650b and a 26er based solely on wheels.

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26 feels faster, and for some of us, that is enough.
Yeah I remember reading so many stories of 26 riders riding 29ers for the first time and feeling like they were sluggish, then being shocked when they learned their lap time on the 29 was faster. But like so many things mtb, so many factors play into it. I enjoy my 29er and my 26er. I have no idea which one is actually faster.
 
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aaagh, it comes down to the rider really.
I ride my 26er almost all the time. I own a 650b as well. When I ride with my friends, I am faster by alot compared to the guys on 29 or 650. In fact all the fast guys are riding 26 bikes. All the bikes across the board are trail and enduro bikes, so no major difference including the year models are about the same.
I wish for the DH world cup, riders would be allowed to make use of 26er wheels. There were some guys who were alot faster on it.
 
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