[rideit]

My strategy is that I have two wheel sets and two shocks, the DPS and the Float X. Both are set up with the eyelet bearings installed, so it's a 15 minute process to change them out.

 

[2supple]

@RMB-PM2 Thank you for sharing the progression per position - surprised to see it is that wide of a range (25-43%)... very cool

The Element is fairly progressive in all settings so I've found that maintaining a more linear air volume works better in tandem with those rate curves. Unfortunately we need to set the shock tunes up for a wide variety of rider weights, skill levels, and terrain ridden so having one perfect setup that satisfies all those needs is simply not possible. I recommend working with your local suspension tuner to adjust your shock tune to your personal needs.

Sounds like an Ohlins TTX2 could work well!

Currently on my personal bike I'm alternating between a SIDLuxe / 2023 140mm Pike package and a Float DPS / 140m 34 GRIP2.

Curious to know which settings you have landed on with your DPS - i.e. what LSC setting/pressure and if you ever use the mid/closed position

 

[RMB-PM2]

For my 175lb weight, when using my DPS in position 2, I run 220psi and typically keep the LSC adjust in the #1 position. I toggle between open, medium, and firm modes depending on the terrain, and I make frequent use of all three modes.

 

[MadDog58]

Currently on my personal bike I'm alternating between a SIDLuxe / 2023 140mm Pike package and a Float DPS / 140m 34 GRIP2. Both offer that perfect blend of lightness and capability that seems to be the cornerstone of downcountry bikes. 26lbs as you see it here. Very similar to a C90 build for the most part, with the addition of CushCore XC installed in the rear, and 2.3 Minions (~740g / tire, but slower rolling).

What are the strengths and weaknesses for each respective shock/fork combo?

 

[Stuckita]

Hey everyone, I have a 2022 element c30. Just broke my wheels today! Any one know how much the stock c30 wheels weigh? I'm currently looking to upgrade but curious how much weight I'll be saving.

 

[2supple]

Threw some proper trail wheels on today (trail tires + rimpact inserts) and left the lightweight wheels at home. Completely blown away how fun it is on the rough stuff. Brings a new kind of excitement coming off a 170/160 travel bike on the same trails.

The little DPS sure does heat up - thought it might burn my leg lol. 220 PSI for 175 rider weight & LSC 1 was perfect in the rear though

 

[RobertC3]

I am trying to find a short-travel 29er and the Element and Spur are at the top of my list. Shocking I know. I had an all day demo on a size L Spur X01 last weekend and loved it. It felt great. Climbing was fast, pedal bob was minimal, descending was so fun. I was able to bottom out the rear shock, but it didn't feel like a hard bump. I rode a size L Element C30 around my LBS last night and it was totally different than I expected. The pedal bob was terrible and it felt really cramped when seated. I know that an X01 to a C30 isn't a fair comparison, but there are no Elements above C30 available anywhere I can find.

I didn't have a chance to adjust the saddle as much as I would have liked, but it felt so different than the Spur despite the geometry seeming to be almost identical. If I had been able to raise the saddle and slide it back on the rails it would have fit somewhat better, but I still don't think it would have felt as good as the Spur. Has anyone who has ridden both noticed anything like this? Looking at the charts I can't see why this would be the case. Does .6* of seat tube angle really make that much difference? Maybe the listed geometry is wrong on one or both of them.

With regard to the suspension in the fully open and trail positions the bounce in the bike when pedaling what serious. The shock on the C30 doesn't have the sag marks on it, but I think it was set too soft. The fork was also really soft. Pinkbike says the Element climbs like a rocket, but it didn't feel like that would be the case for the bike I rode last night. I really want to like the Element and chalk this all up to bad setup, but other than adjusting the sag on the Spur it just worked. The Element didn't seem like it would ever be as good.

 

[rideit]

Bad setup, plain and simple.

 

[2supple]

Yeah I’ve owned both bikes and the cockpit feel should be almost identical.

I guess my question is if you liked the Spur so much on demo, why not just get the Spur?

 

[RobertC3]

I guess my question is if you liked the Spur so much on demo, why not just get the Spur?

Thank you both.

That is where I am leaning, but with the recent price increase on the Spur the value equation definitely tilts to the Element. I could get a C50 Element for less than a Deore Spur, except that I can't get a C50 Element right now.

 

[2supple]

That’s fair. Personally I like my element more but both bikes are great. I had constant SID fork issues on the Spur, maybe those are fixed by now. I’ve had better reliability from Fox over RS suspension but that’s completely anecdotal.

Cockpit wise, if you could get the Spur to feel good there’s no reason the element fit would be any different. Like the RM account posted earlier, I now prefer ~10-15 psi over recommended on the Element for rear shock pressure.

 

[jpfurn]

I just wanted to add my suspension preference to the group. I started with the recommendations from Rocky Mountain which were really good. I am 175 geared up and with 200 PSI out back and six clicks of rebound it peddled very well and was very supportive under power. However, my local trails here in Utah have very fast and chunky sections that I had to slow down more than I wanted to. I sped up the rebound by four clicks and it made a world of difference in how active the rear end was through the chunk. It has slightly more pedal bob while climbing but the downhill, climbing traction, and overall suppleness is worth it to me.

 

[MadDog58]

Anyone put a RockShox Deluxe shock on one of these? Interested to hear how other inline shocks compare to the Fox DPS.

 

[EskimoFriend]

For those that upped the fork travel with a bigger/beefier fork, how has the geo been affected on steep climbing sections? Any flop on the front?

 

[mikeg123]

Anyone have a link to purchase the zero stack headset cup?

Did you manage to find it? Looking for one too but not sure what will work.

 

[2supple]

Did you manage to find it? Looking for one too but not sure what will work.

I didn't.. lol. I actually really need to get one because I'm getting a 140 fork soon.

 

[EskimoFriend]

I didn't.. lol. I actually really need to get one because I'm getting a 140 fork soon.

I had my shop order the ZS from wolf tooth.

 

[mikeg123]

I had my shop order the ZS from wolf tooth.

Yeah it looks like the Wolftooth will work. I’ll wait until my bike arrives to see if it has the spacer or not. It seems that some bikes come with them and some don’t. Not sure why but probably due to part shortages.

 

[2supple]

Yeah it looks like the Wolftooth will work. I’ll wait until my bike arrives to see if it has the spacer or not. It seems that some bikes come with them and some don’t. Not sure why but probably due to part shortages.

Do you guys have a link/SKU to the exact wolf tooth one? Is it the zero stack lower fitment?

SKU:
ZS56L-40-BLK

 

[mikeg123]

Do you guys have a link/SKU to the exact wolf tooth one? Is it the zero stack lower fitment?

SKU:
ZS56L-40-BLK

That one will fit. It's the one I will pick up should my frame need it. Since it is a 56mm lower. You will need a press to install it though.

2022+ Element Headset Size

Both the Alloy and Carbon versions of the 2022+ Element use a ZS44|ZS56* headset, with a standard lower cup. *ZS = Zero-Stack, also know as semi-integrated. This kind of headset uses integrated bearings that sit below or at least flush with t...

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