for some reason, i found the fact that this very expensive vehicle had a rack strapped on kind of amusing:
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I haven't had a shifter on a bike in 20 years, but I get your drift. I do sometimes "speed shift" my Subaru without a clutch - so I can tell it would be very fast. I can go through the gears pretty fast that way.
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They're doing away with manuals because the clutch-less transmissions result in faster cars.
I believe Ferrari has done away with clutches as of this year. I believe Lambo is to follow.
I myself prefer shifting BUT recognize the clutch-less cars are indeed faster.
What does everyone think about traction control? I've argued endlessly with my 17 year old about keeping the traction control on in his car. He equates the sound of tires spinning with faster speeds. Nothing could be further from the truth.
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Instead of male friends, I would hire a female "assistant".
Traction control makes worse drivers able to drive more quickly or more safely. So it is sort of a wash. The first car I ever drove with flappy shifters and traction control I pushed extremely hard and man it really worked well. Whether it is a good idea (safety? speed? whatever the goal) or not just depends on a whole lot of other factors.
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Does he grasp the concept of spinning tires not actually moving the car while those that aren't spinning are actually getting down to the business of moving the car across the ground?
You may actually have to consider yourself a failure as a parent if your kid thinks tires going round and round without actually going anywhere is faster than tires going round and round and moving the car!
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They are great for bad weather conditions. Of it's dry, it just depends on the system and the available settings.
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A performance car is ruined by traction control. It's often overly intrusive and sometimes dangerous, reducing wheelspin abruptly by basically taking over the throttle, closing it almost completely and then feeding it back slowly. There is no doubt this can be dangerous to spring on a driver who is expecting full power. I've seen it done well, but as soon as you start modifying a car for more power, the traction/stability program doesn't usually keep up. The programs are also often confused by bumpy roads, where there is a brief loss of traction but only due to an uneven road surface. 'Excuse me driver, I'll take over now'. No thanks.Does he grasp the concept of spinning tires not actually moving the car while those that aren't spinning are actually getting down to the business of moving the car across the ground?
You may actually have to consider yourself a failure as a parent if your kid thinks tires going round and round without actually going anywhere is faster than tires going round and round and moving the car!
A person who takes driving seriously already has traction control and its in his/her right foot. Wheel spin is something that is not typically followed by an accident. Serious understeer/oversteer is another thing, so stability control programs have their place, but if it can't be disabled completely on the track, I'm not interested in the car.
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If I had a kid that dumb, I wouldn't let him pilot a 2-ton cage
Driving a vehicle is SERIOUS bizzness, and no one (hardly) takes it as such.
It isn't quite that simple since traction control allows individual wheels to have the brakes applied and a driver cannot do that. A driver can bias the weight of the vehicle to give more traction to a given wheel, but that is not the same thing.
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On modern cars, it works pretty well. On some of my previous cars, it was kind of poor, especially when you'd reach the limits. Now, the darn thing is pretty good at keeping me going in a straight line. I can disable it, push some buttons, there's the TC, then there's the SC, and some other features too, but while engaged, you are able to go quite fast and maintain control. Some of these cars will "bite you" real fast with it off. Despite what Pete says in this thread, not everyone has had the race-car training in tail-happy cars that he has, it's a good idea in most modern cars to keep it on, and only a few seem to suffer greatly these days under any realistic condition. Keep in mind that most systems won't let you "burn em up" from a standstill unless you attempt to overpower it with high RPM and dropping the clutch. These can be real bad when done by the inexperienced drivers. Even with done without the TC it can still be bad. At the least, it really depends on the car. With many modern cars, turning it off doesn't get you much more performance or handling ability. With some people, it's more about the excitement and mastery that comes with it, rather than it being any faster, in fact for some drivers and situations it will be slower to have it off. It all depends on the car and system, but they are better these days.
They are doing some amazing things with Ferraris and others with the electronic systems at the limit these days. It's not the same system it was 15 years ago.
It gets tiring listening to people ask me to "light them up". You are right that people equate "going fast" with "spinning the wheels". When those people spring for the $1500 to buy new tires, I'll let em up all day long.
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That may all be true, but it's still a basic principle that if the tire is spinning, it's lost friction which means its lost its ability to propel the car, stop the car or steer the car as effectively as a non-spinning, rolling tire.
Whether you do it manually or computer assisted, spinning tires do not equal speed.
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Perhaps you should refrain from posting or repping when you're drunk. That way, at least your pathetic attempt to insult might make even the slightest sense and have a passing relevancy to the post you decided to negative rep.cowardly incoherent nobody said:
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt on being drunk... if you're sober, well, that would just be sad.
However they also equal a stable coefficient of friction. I know people that purposefully make their tires slide in curves that way they don't break lose unexpectedly and lose traction. So they are giving up some traction for consistency.
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True... but you still have to admit that that's a "controlled uncontrolled" maneuver. Because again, tires that are slipping or spinning are not gripping the road. The sliding curve is using momentum with whatever friction may be left to guide the vehicle through the corner, but the driver must be able to stop the sliding at will or risk going off the course, wouldn't you agree?
And I think chas's son is talking about off the line tire squealing (vs not advanced handling techniques) equating to speed where spinning the tires means the car is, well... spinning its wheels but not going anywhere! Much like a recent negative repper!
A C6 Z06 is not a super high power car. It is geared well, 60mph in 1st. It runs 325s it isn't hard to lay down power in it. If you can't stay on track get a slower car.
It's all about the driver. Most guys think they are awesome drivers. No track experience. They think a few back road runs makes them Zanardi. It's in our nature.
Traction control works IMO well for regular driving conditions and most non driving folks.
Racing or high HP cars is a different conversation.
I peddle a 700whp car on measly 295's all the time. It's fun to spin around in 2nd, or 3rd when its cold out.
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