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I'm getting ready to pick up a new 29er and am reading everything I can get my hands on. I've narrowed it down to these two bikes. They are both XT and the Trek is the new latest greatest frameset. I can get the Scott for about 900 less than the Trek as it Scott's HMF frame which is cheaper. I can tell the shop that I'm working with has a way better relationship with Trek and how they deal with warranty issues. They are steering me towards the Trek. One of the guys at the shop who actually mountain bikes has a Scott Scale RC and he can crush us all on it. He raves about the Scott.

I rode a Superfly a couple years ago and didn't didn't like the geometry. I was just getting into mountain biking at the time and ended up with a stumpjumper comp. The Stumpy was a great bike but I'm looking for something that is a little more comfy with longer chainstays.

Basically, I'm just looking for anyone's two cents. I'm leaning toward the Scott and most of my friends think I'm crazy.
 
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I obviously haven't spent any time on the Superfly SL. Not taking any of the new 2013 bikes into consideration, the Scott would be the bike that i would get. it's the most comfy hardtail that i've spent time on. And, i really liked the slacker geometry.
 
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Save more money and get the same frame as a 930. Then you can put some of your favorite things on it-- wheels, bar, seat, brakes. Chain stays are 438mm so not long. 69.5 HT angle, 72.5 ST angle. Superfly is 445, 69.6 HT angle, 72 ST angle
 
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Geometry

The Trek's wheelbase is a centimeter longer. I think its chain stays are a half cm longer and the rest of the wheelbase difference comes from the Trek using a fork with more offset. The bikes use very similar head tube angles which I find interesting, but the trek uses the G2 for to adjust for that. My current stumpjumper has pretty steep seat tube angle 73.5 and a steeper HTA 71.5 but has chainstays that are only 42.4 cm which is quite a difference from the Scott or Trek.

I really like the Scott, but can tell the shop isn't pleased with rep or how they have dealt with some warranty issues. They simply rave about how Treks customer service and I've seen it first hand with a couple issues that have come up with my friends bikes. I have a set of stans arch wheels that will be going on either bike I purchase so the wheels on the Trek or Scott aren't really a factor in my decision. I can't get my hands on the Trek until October so I'm hoping some ride reports starting leaking out before I have to make a decision.
 
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I've owned the 2012 Elite 100 carbon since September and it has been (and continues to be) a great bike for the XC riding I prefer. The XT components, especially the brakes are fantastic. The suspension is firm and the bike climbs well even out of the saddle.
With aftermarket chinese carbon wheels and 1 x 10 set up, I'm now just over 25 lbs with pedals. As for geometry, I don't find that much difference between traditional and g2 and if you ride enough, you quickly get used to whichever you are riding.
That said, I am not loyal to brands and if the Scott rides as well at a $900 savings, I say go for it.
 
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I have ridden the new Superfly SL for about an hour and I have to say it was the best hardtail I have ever ridden. I have ridden a bunch of bikes, but this one was super smooth in the saddle, but felt stiffer than my carbon road bike when standing. It was awesome.
 
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Scott Scale or Superfly

I rode Gary Fisher 29ers for 4 years, put many miles on them, and always loved them. I switched to the Jamis Carbon 29er 3 years ago and put 2 yrs of use on it. Took a bit of getting used to a twitchier feeling bike at high speeds (but aggro race in tighter stuff). I started racing the Scott Scale Expert last year and loved it right from the get go. Thing accelerates fast, has great overall handling and is comfortable at speed and for longer distances. The rear seat stay design is thinner vertically and wider horizontally. This really absorbs a lot of the ambient shock and gives the bike a nice bit of shock absorption over roots and rocks yet still remains stiff laterally. I absolutely love the bike and it feels very second nature to ride. Picked my bike up from Edge Outdoors in Medina, Ohio. I'll be ordering a new Scale 910 here really soon! Give Phat Jay or MC Flow a call 330-952-1989. Cool guys and have been really happy with their shop!
 
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R900 said:
Trek has a much better warranty. I like the Scott's but ride Trek,
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I have called warranty on both Trek and Scott. Both companies stepped to the plate.
But I have to say Scott was dang fast! 24 hours later I had a response from scott and was back on my bike.

Just make sure you buy your bike from a shop that carries good inventory on the brand you go for. This means that the LBS is a good customer of that brand and service and warranties will be better and faster.

BTW, I too recomend the Scale. Love mine! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
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Great conundrum you in and you are going to end up with a great bike. I am a trek guy but if you like the Scott and don't worry about the warranty and they both have the components you like ( I love the xt brakes) you would have some can left over for a xtr shadow plus rear and a few more upgrades if you choose the Scott.
 
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I waited 6 months for my 2012, computer dates kept on coming and being re-set for a later date, the warm weather in the winter didn't help me out. Hopefully they get em here fast
 
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I rode a Superfly a couple years ago and didn't didn't like the geometry
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A few years ago the angles were 71/74, now they are 69/72---and with the G2 geometry (these new Superflys are Dialed!!)----I tried non-G2 frames a few months ago and really felt like i was 'on top' of the bike (instead of 'Inside' the bike.) And I have been mountainbiking for 3.5 years (but I can really tell the difference.) I'd make sure you test ride the new one's.

I have called warranty on both Trek and Scott. Both companies stepped to the plate.
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Is the SCOTT Warranty lifetime like TREK? Because I just read how a guy who bought a TREK H.T. frame in the 1990's just got a Brand new (carbon) frame almost 15 years later (in the TREK or Gary Fisher forum.) And they gave him a choice between a 26 or 29 inch frame (different bikes even.) --I heard someone offers a 'lifetime frame warranty also' but wonder if you would really get a new one (like TREK) offers... Because a lot of people might actually buy a H.T. bike to ride (and race it) for the next 5-10 years!!
 
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I'm having a hard time committing to the idea of a carbon mountain bike. An alternative idea I'm kicking around involves building a 2012 niner air 9 (non carbon) frame around a Fox Terralogic fork with Shimano XT. It is kind of a lateral move from what I have now (specializede stumpjumper comp 29er 2010). I have a chance to sell my stumpjumper which would finance my frameset. I kind of like the idea of building something exactly how I want it. The tapered headtube and BB30 would be icing on the cake. The main thing that I'm intersted in is the Fox Terralogic thru axle fork. Honestly, I'm almost sick of shopping. I want carbon, but am to worried about a catastophic, expensive, non-warranty even.
 
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swalburn said:
I'm having a hard time committing to the idea of a carbon mountain bike. An alternative idea I'm kicking around involves building a 2012 niner air 9 (non carbon) frame around a Fox Terralogic fork with Shimano XT. It is kind of a lateral move from what I have now (specializede stumpjumper comp 29er 2010). I have a chance to sell my stumpjumper which would finance my frameset. I kind of like the idea of building something exactly how I want it. The tapered headtube and BB30 would be icing on the cake. The main thing that I'm intersted in is the Fox Terralogic thru axle fork. Honestly, I'm almost sick of shopping. I want carbon, but am to worried about a catastophic, expensive, non-warranty even.
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Check out this video on tests Santa Cruz did on aluminum v carbon:
Pinkbike Visits The Santa Cruz Test Lab Video - Pinkbike

I'm not an engineer but I assume any material type can catastrophically fail. You're more likely to break a bike through a crash than an catastrophic event as far as I'm concerned.

Just my two cents. You're the one who has to feel secure while flying down a hill.
 
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Well I have a 2012 Scott Scale Pro, and by all accounts it is a fantastic bike, but I was able to get some seat time on a new 2013 Trek Superfly SL Elite and I can tell you that the bar has been raised. The Superfly is beyond dialed, light and super stiff where you want it to be, the bike steers unbeleivably the geometry is just spot on. I love both bikes but like I said Trek has raised the bar with this one this year!
 
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