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"My dog is NEVER off leash, except for in the house."

This makes me sad. :-(
All choices have some positives and negatives. I like to use as few vaccinations as possible so as a consequence of not vaccinating with risky and unpredictable vaccines such for lepto, lymes and rabies (I do the first vaccine and then titer tests from then on to see if they are still immune), I must be extra vigilant in keeping my dogs out of situations that would put them at increased risk for those diseases. Over time, my dogs will live longer and have healthier immune systems than the dogs that are vaccinated more often. I could be judgmental and say it makes me sad that you put your dogs at higher risk for dying sooner, but it's your dog and your choice and I actually don't really care how you choose to raise your dogs. You should adopt the same type of attitude with people who make different choices than you. My dogs go everywhere with me, to work, to pool tournaments, to stores and shopping, etc. They have great lives and are extremely happy and wonderful with people.
 
Come to Moab. Dogs of leash on EVERY trail. It's awesome.

I don't think you should break rules, but I also believe dogs should be able to run around free in other places than just fenced dog parks. Those things are mostly disgusting anyway.
I wonder how many dogs get bitten by snakes and/or scorpions every year...

Edit: A quick internet search gave me a number of more than 15,000 dogs and cats being bitten by snakes each year. Dogs have a higher fatality rate when bitten by a venomous snake and about 1 in 5 die within 1-2 hours from a rattlesnake bite. Moab doesn't seem to have many rattlesnakes, so that area is safer. But, off leash dogs in Alabama, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Texas and South Carolina are owned by stupid humans. :)
 
Yes, I've lived in a shoe box my whole life and have only known one Akita. I said I wasn't going to go on about, ie, "list my experience" so ? I've got nothing to prove, thou it seems you do. Must be hard, althou I call BS, to spend so much time and money on dogs and improving their behavior, and have your own dogs that can't be trusted with dogs. Guess it's just "nature", LOL.. Actually in nature dogs live together.
I'll think of you the next time someone out on the trail comments on how well my dog listens without a word, or how cool he is, or how they wish their dog was so trailable. thank god for the Dog Whisperer, LOL. My dogs also spend lotsa time in "nature" and my 10yo Lab will swim in anything I let him, which includes mud holes sometimes, and hasn't gotten sick yet, but thanx for your very deep insight. I'll be sure to look out for bears too.
I may be an idiot but I'm smart enough to now when I'm out of my league,Ha ahaha. and also smart enough to know that I'm done with you. That's a choice cause believe me, I could prove you wrong further, even just within the confines of your last few posts, but I'll leave you to your own demise, let the Mods deal with you, and leave room for other members to have some fun too.
As usual, you can't back up anything you say. Just continually acting like an expert on things with minimal experience and your only defense to anything I've said is that I'm lying. Good job little boy. Now go run home. How old are you? What happened to all these pit bulls you've adopted? You started this crap be discrediting me as a dog owner and telling me that I don't know how to raise an animal and that I'm the type of owner that puts other people at risk. I take much offense to that, and when it's delivered from some moron on the internet with a sliver of the experience and knowledge I've accumulated, I will defend myself. Too bad you don't have the credentials to back up your own formulated opinions that are seemingly based on the one Akita you've met and your experience with the easiest breeds of dogs to train in the pit bull and labrador. I've love to see a picture of the "akita" your best friend has so I could see what other breeds are in the mix. Having met 100's, if not more than 1,000 Akitas through rescue work and at dog shows, I can tell you that you're a complete moron in challenging me on how an Akita is supposed to act. In their earliest development as a breed they were used in pairs to hunt bears. They were always a male and a female because, as a breed, in the history of their breed, they have never gotten along well with dogs of the same sex. I know you said you're the bigger man, and you keep saying how I'm not worth your time and how you're not going to respond to me again. Can you have the self-discipline to do that, or do you want to unveil some more of your retardation for the public to witness? I figure you might actually follow through this time, because your lack of defending your position with your "experience" in your last post just means you have no defense without grossly exaggerating some of your own personal experiences so you're left with the decision to start lying about yourself or shutting the hell up....
If the mods want to "deal" with me because I'm defending myself from you calling me out as being a bad dog owner, that's their prerogative, but I'm not going to be the bigger man when a little boy is talking out of his ass about things he knows very little about.
 
Word Dan-O! You obviously love your dogs and I'm sure they are well taken care of. I respect your opinion.

My Golden is never happier than when she is running in the woods. Living longer is one thing, but not being able to "live" is another.
 
If it comes to a choice of hitting the dog or the owner, I'm dropping a shoulder and hitting the owner.
It's not the dogs fault that they have a bad owner.
I'm with you 100% on this, but from a legal perspective you might lose everything in court to the bad owner when he gets injured. Being injured by a dog, that'll give you the legal win every time.
 
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Yeah right! Throw in some BS about crashing due to a dog and you just ruined a wheel. Did you talk to the owner and hold him accountabal? No because it didn't happen. If you can't use your brakes and avoid such a collision you shouldn't be out on multi use trails. Oh and be sure to negative rep me for my "different " opinions.
These were not multi use trails to begin with. 2nd, neg rep points are for idiots as yourself that actually have time to give negative rep points to anyone to begin with lol :)

And mind you on this same slope i also hit a kids bike that was right on the same spot where i wrecked in to that dog. There is no where to go if something is in your way on that section. So keep riding your nice fire roads because that seems to be what you are riding.

Another thing. I could care less wether you take or anyone takes their dogs to the trails. I never said do this or do that. I just pointed out what i'd do. Lets see the look on your face and what goes through your mind when your dog becomes the victim(i really hope for the dogs sake it doesnt happen) when he gets it from a biker and the biker comes to you about paying for his bike. You obviously will be the kind of idiot that will react like the idiots dog i hit. Ride safe :thumbsup:

edit : ps. i gave you a positive rep point since it means the world to you. :)
 
hey, you can keep giving me neg. rep....

I don't ride with my dogs (so quit saying that), but I have no problem watching out for my own safety, as well as others, by riding appropriately in tight conditions with unpredictable users. I don't understand, how it's a big deal to slow down and avoid a dog? a child? a runner?

Please enlighten me how someone, who is in control of their bike, and in control of their actions, is going to be wrecked by a dog that they see coming?

If you're just mad that someone is breaking the leash law, or you just hate being inconvenienced, then whatever :rolleyes:....

neg. rep away.:thumbsup:
 
hey, you can keep giving me neg. rep....

I don't ride with my dogs (so quit saying that), but I have no problem watching out for my own safety, as well as others, by riding appropriately in tight conditions with unpredictable users. I don't understand, how it's a big deal to slow down and avoid a dog? a child? a runner?

Please enlighten me how someone, who is in control of their bike, and in control of their actions, is going to be wrecked by a dog that they see coming?

If you're just mad that someone is breaking the leash law, or you just hate being inconvenienced, then whatever :rolleyes:....

neg. rep away.:thumbsup:
If you are riding technical trails then it is an issue. Like i said in my above post, For me it happened on a slope where if anything is in your way you have nowhere to go but down the side and end up really screwed. I chose on that slop to hit a bike one time and a dog another so i dont go down that side. Both times ruined my front wheel and one time my front brake callipers. Trust me, unless you are riding strictly fire roads or close to it all that is possible.
 
hey, you can keep giving me neg. rep....

I don't ride with my dogs (so quit saying that), but I have no problem watching out for my own safety, as well as others, by riding appropriately in tight conditions with unpredictable users. I don't understand, how it's a big deal to slow down and avoid a dog? a child? a runner?

Please enlighten me how someone, who is in control of their bike, and in control of their actions, is going to be wrecked by a dog that they see coming?

If you're just mad that someone is breaking the leash law, or you just hate being inconvenienced, then whatever :rolleyes:....

neg. rep away.:thumbsup:
See that part in red? thats what im talking about. In my particular area (basically the tropics), we are often riding on single track with palm branches smacking our helmets as we ride down the trail. Tree's sometimes so close we have a 1/2" to spare on each side. If I saw a dog coming, id reluctantly slow down because I wouldnt want to hurt myself. But what about the dog that pounces into the thick brush to chase an armadillo or squirrel? then quickly bounces back out onto the trail as im approaching? You cant teach a dog to reason why its important for it to look both ways prior to stepping back onto the trail....
 
Such a silly argument. I'll say it again. If there are leash laws, riders should be able to ride without the fear of an unpredictable dog being in their path. If there aren't leash laws, riders should ride those trails a little more slowly and be prepared for an unpredictable dog or choose a different park to ride if they don't like off leash dogs. There are options for everyone. Following the rules makes for a more predictable ride, a more predictable ride is a safer ride. Riders should not have to compensate and modify their own ride for people who are breaking the law. If you want your dog off leash to collect ticks and to sniff at snakes and get bitten, go to a park where it's legal to do so. Otherwise, follow the rules for the safety of all.
 
You did 22 mph when a dog was around, are you nuts? Would you have done 22 mph past a kid too?

I ride in an area where plenty of people keep dogs off the leach but it's no problem, I just slow down, keep my eye on the dog and my hands on the brakes, works like a charm. Sometimes the dog suddenly decides to cross right in front of me, in which case I stop and put my foot down, really no problem because I'm prepared for it. I do the same when there are kids around, a runner I haven't made eye contact with, a horse rider and so on. The only time I pass at speed is when I have a clear cut eye contact with the person or persons I'm closing in on and they are waiting for me to pass.

If you crash into something at 22 mph you only have yourself to blame as you clearly hadn't adapted to the situation, no matter if it was a dog on a leash, dog off a leash, a kid, a runner, a hiker or a tree trunk. Stop trying to blame your surroundings for your lack of situational awareness.
The trail where this happened there should not be anything in the way. Simple as that. If a child is in the middle of the trail where that happened he will get trashed just the same. There is no where to go if there is. Everyone elses BS rambling about not being able to handle a bike blah blah blah is just ignorant. If you ride any kind of descent technical trails i am sure you guys have passed a section that makes you think "****" i hope anyone or anything isn't there. What kind of trails are you guys riding? lol i sure as hell would like to know.
 
If you are riding technical trails then it is an issue. Like i said in my above post, For me it happened on a slope where if anything is in your way you have nowhere to go but down the side and end up really screwed. I chose on that slop to hit a bike one time and a dog another so i dont go down that side. Both times ruined my front wheel and one time my front brake callipers. Trust me, unless you are riding strictly fire roads or close to it all that is possible.
Would you say that you're in control in that situation, and riding responsibly? I would not. Riding on a known, blind section, with no bail out, and going so fast, that you can't stop without hitting something that could be there. That's not riding responsibly on your part. What if the kid was there to go with his bike?

I'm all about the speed too, and all I ride are technical trails, so I understand how it could happen, but I do my best to take control of the situation. I am responsible for my actions, to keep myself safe, and others around me, including dogs. If I hit something with my bike, that's my bad.
 
Would you say that you're in control in that situation, and riding responsibly? I would not. Riding on a known, blind section, with no bail out, and going so fast, that you can't stop without hitting something that could be there. That's not riding responsibly on your part. What if the kid was there to go with his bike?

I'm all about the speed too, and all I ride are technical trails, so I understand how it could happen, but I do my best to take control of the situation. I am responsible for my actions, to keep myself safe, and others around me, including dogs. If I hit something with my bike, that's my bad.
In this part of the trail i am talking about If i dont get speed i am screwed. I need to go as fast as i can muster up to get above the coming slope where this happened to me twice. If i slow down i am screwed with nowhere to go. FLMike if you are from Florida then i imagine you have been on the technical trails at Markham, Santos, Boyette and Alafia. Those aren't local for me but close by. This happened at a local trail for me. But i have been to those parks and have seen many similar parts in those parks where it crossed my mind and thought damn there is nowhere to go if someone or something is on the trail at that moment.

edit : Am i riding responsibly? I sure am. I know and obey the laws and rules of the parks i am riding. Nothing says go slow on this section because there might be dogs or people eating **** on the middle of the 12" trail. C'mon people. Where the hell are you guys riding? lol this is ridiculous :skep:
 
My official position: don't care, as long as they don't make me wreck.



(note: both dogs are seen running / walking away, so they are ok)
 
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See that part in red? thats what im talking about. In my particular area (basically the tropics), we are often riding on single track with palm branches smacking our helmets as we ride down the trail. Tree's sometimes so close we have a 1/2" to spare on each side. If I saw a dog coming, id reluctantly slow down because I wouldnt want to hurt myself. But what about the dog that pounces into the thick brush to chase an armadillo or squirrel? then quickly bounces back out onto the trail as im approaching? You cant teach a dog to reason why its important for it to look both ways prior to stepping back onto the trail....
Jumping up out of a bush in front of you, and just being ahead of you on the trail, are two completely different scenarios.

I mean, if it just jumps out of a bush, and onto the trail, with no time to react, what can you do? that falls into the - sh*t happens, when I ride blind, overgrown trails category, but I wouldn't be mad at the armadillo, either.
 
Jumping up out of a bush in front of you, and just being ahead of you on the trail, are two completely different scenarios.

I mean, if it just jumps out of a bush, and onto the trail, with no time to react, what can you do? that falls into the - sh*t happens, when I ride blind, overgrown trails category, but I wouldn't be mad at the armadillo, either.
But obeying leash laws would lower the number of "sh*t happens" instances and that's the point here. To minimize unpredictable happening on the trails. When sh*t happens because of nature, that's one thing, when it happens when a person is breaking the law, well, that sucks and could be avoided entirely.
 
ill brake and hope i dont run the guy over. Im sorry I ride too fast for you. Humans on the trail act more predictable than dogs on the trail, so ill take my chances. And im a bit amazed someone who is so against the restriction of a leash law is now advocating slower speeds on trails. Would speed limit signs on limited visibility corners be acceptable to you?
You've got me wrong there. I'm not against leash laws or riding fast on a trail, I'm just fed up with people not taking responsibility for driving too reckless for their own good.

If a dog owner lets his dog run free in a leash only zone, the dog owner risks a fine. If the dog runs into a cyclist and crash him, the dog owner probably faces an even bigger fine and having to pay for injuries and stuff. Some dog owners are willing to risk that, it's their decision and their wallet.

But if you choose to blast past a dog at 20 mph you're driving with your head up your ass. It doesn't matter if the dog is lawfully there or not, blasting past something as unpredictable as a dog is a sign of bad judgement. Same goes for riding at 20 mph around a blind corner, there might just be a hiker or a wino or a tree trunk or a rattle snake ahead. Adjust your speed to the current situation, even if the situation is a stray dog that shouldn't be there according to rules.

What I'm saying is, if you hit a dog (or anything else for that matter) at high speed, you clearly didn't have the situation under control. Stop blaming others that you ride too fast for your own good.
 
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