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Thinking this through ENVE XC UST compared with Easton EC29 XC

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#21 ·
Cannonhead said:
Regarding availability of parts, that is one of my perceived beauties of the Easton system, they use 1 spoke length for the whole wheelset, and in my opinion has the highest chance of being field serviceable...for those times when just getting the spoke out of the way for the ride home is not enough.
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They are still proprietary spokes that come from Easton, unless you can cut and thread both ends of some other spoke to duplicate one.
What percentage of XC riders on carbon wheels do you think want to or are willing to carry extra spokes and a spoke wrench with them?
The chances of the wheel not being rideable after breaking one spoke go up as the spoke count goes down.
Just sayin'... :D
 
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meltingfeather said:
They are still proprietary spokes that come from Easton, unless you can cut and thread both ends of some other spoke to duplicate one.
What percentage of XC riders on carbon wheels do you think want to or are willing to carry extra spokes and a spoke wrench with them?
The chances of the wheel not being rideable after breaking one spoke go up as the spoke count goes down.
Just sayin'... :D
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All good points, though, if I was on a ride way "out there", I would be willing to bring along a spoke or two.

24 spokes is spooky ;)
 
#23 ·
meltingfeather said:
They are still proprietary spokes that come from Easton, unless you can cut and thread both ends of some other spoke to duplicate one.
What percentage of XC riders on carbon wheels do you think want to or are willing to carry extra spokes and a spoke wrench with them?
The chances of the wheel not being rideable after breaking one spoke go up as the spoke count goes down.
Just sayin'... :D
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There's some confusion here. The nipples are the double threaded proprietry part. The spokes are a normal straight pull spoke. Pretty easy to get from DT Swiss/Sapim. The double threaded spokes (twin thread) system was done by Velomax, who Easton bought. The twin thread system was dropped by Easton years ago.

I guess you just have to choose what's more important to you. A solid rim bed or standard nipples. There's no way to have both.

I'll play devils advocate here. Rim tape can fail too and I doubt you'd be carrying any spare on your ride. Actually, size wise it'd be easier to carry a spoke/nipple than rim tape. If you do need to replace a nipple on the Enve wheels you have to remove the rimtape, which is unlikely to restick if you've had sealant in there, and then you've got to get the tyre to seal again as well or throw a tube in.

Worst case scenario
- break a nipple on Easton wheels - need a spare nipple and spoke wrench
- break a nipple on Enve wheels - need a spare nipple, spoke wrench, rim tape, tube, pump
 
#24 ·
Enve has DT Swiss 240 hubs, which are reportedly really good, light and easy to service. I've read on their website that Enve has a life-time crash replacement policy for 50% off MRSP. But they are a tad heavier.. I still think I would still go with Enve but it is close.
 
#28 ·
bikesinmud said:
Tire question for ya, being that the Enve are UST rims, does that mean you have to use exclusively UST tires? Or can you use a schwalbe tubeless ready tire and a cup full of stan's?
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The second one - I've used Notubes tyres, Maxxis of various flavours (Ikon, Ardent, Beaver, Aspen, Raze - none of them UST), Schwalbe EVO & Pacestar, Bontrager TLR, Specialized 2Bliss... all without any hassles. :thumbsup:
 
#29 ·
I have the EC90's and my buddy has the Enve laced to Kings.

as its been noted before, the hub is STILL Eastons weak point, but the ease of a true UST rim is nice.

The Enve's have been ridden HARD and keep coming back for more. he's landed a jump sideways and rolled the bead of the tire without as much as a mm out of true. Those rims are very strong.

As long as you dont mind using rim tape, get the Enve's.
 
#30 ·
redline9k said:
I have the EC90's and my buddy has the Enve laced to Kings.

as its been noted before, the hub is STILL Eastons weak point, but the ease of a true UST rim is nice.

The Enve's have been ridden HARD and keep coming back for more. he's landed a jump sideways and rolled the bead of the tire without as much as a mm out of true. Those rims are very strong.

As long as you dont mind using rim tape, get the Enve's.
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The ENVE rims are as "true UST" as your Eastons. Once the tape is on (one application) there is no difference in ease of use. In fact, if the builder puts the tape on for you, there is no difference at all. :thumbsup:
 
#32 ·
I bought the EC90 XC wheels and rode for sixty days before the rear rim failed :(

I am 175lbs and ride a f/s on xc trails...and the rear rim bead cracked despite using a 2.1 ignitor with 35lbs pressure. I only had them 60 days. Easton descibes on their website and marketing materials that these are "able to withstand seasons of abuse on rough trails" due to the impact resistant military grade armored balistic carbon. They are super expensive and Easton really markets them as bombproof...they are NOT. Upon return they would not honor the warranty and claimed crash damage. BS. I will not buy Easton again and do not recommend these wheels. On carbon rovals now. Have also heard good things about the enve wheels too.Would not buy again. Easton overhyped this product and didnt stand behind its claims. Buyer beware...its an expensive gamble.
 
#33 ·
I now own both Enve Twenty9 XC and Easton EC90 XC Carbon 29" wheel sets. I am running non UST tubeless tires on both with 24# psi.

Easton: UST carbon rim, 24 spokes, no rim tape, 2 oz of Stan's.
Enve: UST carbon rim,32 spokes, gorilla tape, 2 oz of Stan's.

This is what I note so far..

Easton set is 150g lighter (Weighed both on same scale with tire/selant/skewer/axle removed).
Enve have a stiffer almost harsh ride.
Easton is considerably stiffer than Stan's Arch which it replaced.
Easton hub quality is questionable and no doubt will require new bearings and constant attention to pre-load.
Enve uses solid DT-240S hubs.
Had no trouble with either mounting non UST tires. Do use a 2 gallon compressor to seat the bead.
Easton valve does not have removable core. Replaced with a Stan's.
Easton's were about $550 less than Enve's.

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#34 ·
Dry Side said:
I now own both Enve Twenty9 XC and Easton EC90 XC Carbon 29" wheel sets. I am running non UST tubeless tires on both with 24# psi.

Easton: UST carbon rim, 24 spokes, no rim tape, 2 oz of Stan's.
Enve: UST carbon rim,32 spokes, gorilla tape, 2 oz of Stan's.

This is what I note so far..

Easton set is 150g lighter (Weighed both on same scale with tire/selant/skewer/axle removed).
Enve have a stiffer almost harsh ride.
Easton is considerably stiffer than Stan's Arch which it replaced.
Easton hub quality is questionable and no doubt will require new bearings and constant attention to pre-load.
Enve uses solid DT-240S hubs.
Had no trouble with either mounting non UST tires. Do use a 2 gallon compressor to seat the bead.
Easton valve does not have removable core. Replaced with a Stan's.
Easton's were about $550 less than Enve's.

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well aren't you a lucky duck?
thanks for the comments. :thumbsup:
 
#35 · (Edited)
Meltingfeather or anyone- got an opinion on Roval Control SL 29's? (other than over the top styling and weird looking front non-disk side radial spokes...)

Seems that they would have a lot to offer in comparison to Enve and Easton with no downsides functionally- just as light as Eastons, DT internals, 2-3mm inner is wider than both, also UST or equivalent ??, not to mention many hundreds less expensive than either. I've seen a couple of pix of Roval SL failures here, but is that because they are more common?
 
#37 ·
Noclutch said:
Meltingfeather or anyone- got an opinion on Roval Control SL 29's? (other than over the top styling and weird looking front non-disk side radial spokes...)
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I'm not a fan of system wheelsets. The more gimmicky the design, the less I like them.
 
#39 ·
Gonna go with Enve. I like that you can build with the hubs of your choice, which in my case will be White Industries. Leaning towards the Enve Twenty9 XC, versus the Twenty9 AM. 32 spoke, 3x.

Does anyone know if the Twenty9 XC's have a rider weight limit?
 
#40 ·
mdavenpo2000 said:
Gonna go with Enve. I like that you can build with the hubs of your choice, which in my case will be White Industries. Leaning towards the Enve Twenty9 XC, versus the Twenty9 AM. 32 spoke, 3x.

Does anyone know if the Twenty9 XC's have a rider weight limit?
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Whats your weight? ENVE recommends 32h fro 160lb+

I just had my ENVE 26" AM built up. I couldnt decide between AM or XC. In the end thought I went with the AM. Its more versatile, wider rims better contact strong etc. Weight gain is around 45g per wheel though
 
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