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Jeff, curious as to whom you think is creating those trails? Do you think it is only guys that own DH bikes? I can tell you it isn't and I'm sure you know and have seen several people on non DH specific bikes trying these trails. It's lame that a few bad apples have created a stereotype that anyone that owns a DH is the cause of all evil, lol...As I mentioned, I'm getting my 10 year old son a Flatline as well as he rode it in Mammoth and has his heart set on it. Does that mean he is irresponsible, of course not.

I'm a die hard jetskier and it is the same over there. You have the stand up guys vs. the "couchers" which I don't subscribe to. Some will debate that because of the coucher that it has given jetski's a bad rap. Some think they are better than others based on what they ride. My ride is a KawiDoo (SXR with a 951 Seadoo) and I don't single out someone because of what they ride but rather their actions. You can be an idiot on either.

Anyway, I'm heading to Mammoth this weekend to pick up the bikes and get some riding in while I'm there. I didn't realize how sensitive this topic was but know that I am a responsible rider and my son will be as well no matter what we ride. Hopefully everyone else takes a look in the mirror and can say the same.
 
And your right, its not only the guys on DH bikes, but thats not what I said. Im just saying its going to be the guys on DH bikes that I believe could put an end to having the lift to use as a shuttle. It seems the rules on which bikes that are allowed on the lifts have been getting a little loose this last year and I dont think its such a great idea. Dont get me wrong, I use to race DH and owned a DH bike, I sold it when the lifts were closed to DH bikes.
Its not only in BB where we all should be a little more responsible, we should be everywhere we ride.
Snow Summit is the only lift service area in So Cal, lets preserve that and maybe SS may someday open up to bikes and racing. When SS was open, it was awesome to haul a$$ downhill, knowing that hikers and others were'nt on the trails or if they were, it was their responsibility to watch out for the bikes.
 
There is the problem Jeff, you have already set the stage that it will be the DH's fault instead of the idiots tearing the place up on whatever they ride. Even though you were a DH'er, your casting blame before anything happens?? If they really want to take action, plant a few guys out there and cite anyone off trail. Any bets has to who will be cited most? It sucks people accept status quo. I'm for anyone who wants to ride responsibly.
 
Dont really want that either. I see what I see, and mostly it is the riders on DH bikes mostly, but anyone can ruin it for everyone.
i had a few close calls a couple of weeks ago, I yelled at the riders, so i needed to vent.
 
It's really too bad that the local Big Bear riders can't get together and help create a better trail network, ie, downhill only trails, rider trails, directional trails, etc. I mean, i go to other communities like idyllwild or downieville or a multitude of other communities that are so much further advanced than Big Bear regarding bike trails. That is a real shame considering how many people ride up there, I remember talking to a Ranger about that exact subject a couple months ago in idyllwild who agreed with me about Big Bear. Get your act together Big Bear locals! ;)
 
OMG this post is a little over a year old :)
And your point is?? Perhaps it is still relevant today so why start another thread? Just as an update, I took the bikes up and they have increased the weight limit to 43lbs. While that is nice, I find it interesting how a 210lb guy on a 30lb bike is going to cause any less erosion then a 180lb guy on 43lb bike. Fuzzy math I guess...

BTW Cat, nice Sig.
 
Just as an update, I took the bikes up and they have increased the weight limit to 43lbs. While that is nice, I find it interesting how a 210lb guy on a 30lb bike is going to cause any less erosion then a 180lb guy on 43lb bike. Fuzzy math I guess...
The weight limit is not to keep fat bikers and bikes off the mountain, rather it gives them a reason to keep downhill specific bikes (which are generally heavier) off of the trails if they choose to do so.
 
I was up there again this weekend - they are starting to crack down on dual crown bikes with like 2.7 tires. The lift operator mentioned that it might be because the owners were on site that particular day for an event - so the boss was in town. But he also mentioned that the owners will be around more often now that the highway has opened up again this year, which means more oversight on liability. Not sure if he was implying that they'll be enforcing the rules more consistently, but it was an obvious word of caution. I also got the feeling that he was being serious about them enforcing the rules a bit more heavily, but regretted doing so because dude rides dh also. The saving grace is that they are supposedly changing the weight limits rules to reflect the constant change in "all mtn/trail" bike features from year to year.
 
see my former posts, you might find my predictions are coming true. I dont think that there should be a restriction on the bike you take on the lift, but a understanding to the riders on trail ettiquite, but I quess thats harder to enforce.
What im saying is, be responsible out on the trails, SS is the only lift service area in Socal.
 
Couldn't agree more Jeff. The lifties don't agree with the rule but it is what it is. We did every legal trail with no problem on these bikes. I guess 8" of travel makes things easier but the pedaling wasn't easy! We even did Falline and my son is only 10. He even did the tree jump, slow mind you.

I have to admit, what I missed the most compared to Mammoth are the jumps. Man I love the air time up there and BB could easily duplicate it if they wanted. Oh well, better than nothing. Heading up to Mammoth this weekend for the final ride of the year.
 
The weight limit is not to keep fat bikers and bikes off the mountain, rather it gives them a reason to keep downhill specific bikes (which are generally heavier) off of the trails if they choose to do so.
Well aware of the Forestry Service trying to mask their discriminatory position. They can't just come right out and say no DH as someone in their legal department knew better. Again, the erosion theory should be based on total weight, not just the bike.

Curious if Mountain High has ever kicked around biking there? Anyone know??

BTW, nice screen name. You are dating yourself. I use to listen to them all the time when KROQ use to be good.
 
I don't know. I was there Sunday. I did see they upped the weight, as the scale at the bottom of the lift was marked at 43#. When I was looping the trails close to the lift in the afternoon, I repeatively ran into a group of young downhillers in the lift line with full on DH rigs - Intense 951, Specialized Big Hit?, big ass Mongoose. Their bikes were loaded up with no issues. So I'm a bit confused on SS stance on DH bikes. IMO if you put in writing on your website, you need to back it up at the lift.
 
Im hoping (but not holding my breath) that someday the shareholders (and US forestry) see what a goldmine they have in front of them in regards to summer activities on the mountain. No other lift serviced area in the world has what SS has. The close proximity to 30 million people. Say they open the mountain back up to bikes, create new trails for every type of rider, both on SS property and off, have bridges and ladders like Whistler has made famous, have a BMX and pump tracks at the base, have bike rentals and skills classes, create ziplines and climbing walls, as well as other activities for non riding family members or the general public. All of this would take money, but it would create tourism dollars 10 fold+ of their initial investment, as well as create summer jobs.
I think if they, the owners and shareholders of SS put their heads together, they could create a world class summer resort, with the prospect of having the largest pool of tourist in the world, all within 2-3 hours away.
I hear all the time from visitors who spend their vacation time up here in BB saying they wish there was more things for them to do. Well thats my suggestion to the City of Big Bear and Snow Summit, this would create tons more tourisim.

I heard Dick Kun (owner os BB Mountain Resorts) say that just one day in the winter holiday season, they make more money then the entire summer season and that the risk dont out weight the cost.
Have you skied or snowboarded in the last 20 years? it used to be if a jump of any size was formed, it would quickly be shut down and if you got caught on those jumps, you may of had your lift ticket revoked, look now,hugh jumps, rails, half pipes everywhere, how many injuries daily do they get? how many lawsuits? I could'nt think that the summer activities could even come close, although the very reason bikes are banned on SS is from a lawsuit in 2004, but still........
 
I think they let you ride SS until snow season.
Summit is 10/31 closure for bikes. Mammoth this weekend.

As to money potential and risk at SS, I dont get it. I guarantee you more people are hurt skiing than biking. It just looks like the owners don't care for bikes, even knowing the money potential that is there. If you look at BB in general, it has changed for the worst. I still love to fish there but it is just a different atmosphere there now than it was when I was growing up. I haven't ski'd there since '95. I hated the weekends as it was a zoo and moat of the time ice. One could only imagine with a little vision what SS could be for the biking community.
 
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