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the title says it all, I'm building up a wheelset for intense riding, I want to know what the strongest lace pattern is to use for a 36h wheel

My lbs mechanic claims that 4x will be the strongest but I'd like a majority to confirm this:thumbsup:
 
Not to hijack the thread, but would this be the same answer if someone was going to carry a lot of weight with the wheel?

Also, what would the strongest spokes be?
 
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Dt Swiss markets their alpine 3 spoke (triple butted) as a spoke for tandems and DH bikes, this is the spoke that I will be using and it you look then you won't find anything but good reviews for it
 
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my flanges are 32.5 and 30.5mm, do you think this will be a big enough issue so that I should run 3x?
 
mtnbiker72 said:
Unless you use high flange hubs, it is likely that 4x will overlap the adjacent spoke head on the flange. This isn't stronger, this is weaker.

It's a highly debatable subject but for the reasons above, I have always used 3x on 36 spoke wheels.
Actually, high flange hubs are more likely to have spoke overlap.

I usually use 4x for 36 spoke wheels. Most stable pattern, though 3x works just fine, too.
 
shiggy said:
Actually, high flange hubs are more likely to have spoke overlap.

I usually use 4x for 36 spoke wheels. Most stable pattern, though 3x works just fine, too.
A high flange will have more spoke overlap on the flange itself, but not over the head of the adjacent spoke like a smaller flange will.
 
I'm waiting on the components so I can build my 36h rear. From the research I did as well as advice from the LBS, 3x is what I'm going with. I was told on the King hubs, going 4x will cause stress rigth at the flange as well as using longer spokes.
 
Bicycle wheel life

The Science Channel had a showing of the making of the giant Ferris wheels around the world and over the last 100 plus years. Interesting stuff to say the least, what I found that peaked my interest was the comparison of Ferris wheels to bicycle wheels. I really do not think it was a good comparison as they were showing that the design of a bicycle wheel was not strong enough for a Ferris wheel.... Duh!
That is what brought me to this thread in the forums, this particular thread seems to be what I was looking for and I did a look up about wheel stresses and lifetimes. Here is the study that was done in 1993 or there abouts.... http://www.duke.edu/~hpgavin/papers/HPGavin-Wheel-Paper.pdf

Boiling this all down it seems the study of bicycle wheels and not Ferris wheels, showed that bike wheels should give close to a million cycles or more of life time. I am sure with proper maintenance this can be greatly extended!
Here is a statement from the study.....

"The fatigue resistance of the spokes, the spoke diameter, the arrangement of the spokes, and the
stiffness of the rim influence wheel stiffness and fatigue life. Wheels with 2X, 3X, and 4X spoke
patterns all have similar spoke strains when subjected to radial loads. The fatigue resistance of spoked
wheels to steady cycling loads is very high for most typical service conditions."

I would presume that "trials" bike are out of the loop! :eekster:

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