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I have been in search of a decent bike for my 6 year old son. I'm tired of kids bikes -- even the Marin bikes from REI -- whose chains rust and cranks or hubs freeze, etc., to to cruddy construction and over-use of steel.

I was exiting a trail the other day and saw a father and his young boy entering, the boy on a nice looking little mountain bike. I noticed Kona on the frame. Researching on Kona's website, they seem to have some decent looking kids bikes. Anyone have any experience with them? I'd love to get a capable enough bike that my son, who turns 7 this summer, could take on some easy trails with. Any tips or suggestions much appreciated!

http://www.konaworld.com/platform.cfm?content=kids
 
I don't think kids are going to care, or that they really should. A Novara or similar, with Alivio and a bunch of Taiwanese parts would do just fine. If stuff freezes, blast is with WD40 or disassemble and repack with grease. He's going to outgrow that expensive Kona very soon. My 2 cents.

Funny video in that Kona link with the kid drinking out of the stream. That's a terrible bout of Giardia waiting to happen. Not only that, they pan out the images of kids riding. Looks like the ones riding more aggressively are in their early teens. The kids the bikes are targeted at are riding like they're going around the block, which is what you would expect.
 
The Kona kid's bikes are good. There are also kids bikes by several of the other bigger bike companies that make similar bikes.

The biggest concern when picking a bike for your child or for any child would be gear sizing (ratios) and easy to use brakes and gear shifters.
Most kid's bikes have a stupid large single chainring up front that doesn't promote easy pedaling up any sort of incline! 30T or 28T single chainring up front would be the best. If there are two chainrings then no bigger than a 32T ring for the bigger one.
And when looking at bikes check to see how easy it is to move the gear shifters and brake levers. As well as making sure that the brake levers can be adjusted inwards towards the handle bar to make easy for small fingers to reach.
Also, if the bike has suspension (forks) make sure it is set up for someone weighing in at under 50lbs! No point in having suspension if it takes an adult all their strength to push down on the fork while standing over it! I also believe that kids only need a hardtail bike until they are riding at a level that would require a full suspension bike. Meaning doing over 3' drops and clearing 6' table jumps and riding at a fast enough pace through terrain that would benefit from having a full sus bike.
The reason I promote the kid's bikes from Kona, Specialized and Giant is because in the last few years they have started taking the issues I have talked about into account when speccing a bike. These companies still do make bikes that I wouldn't torture any child with but they are leaps and bounds ahead of most companies with several bikes in their children's line ups.

Oh, and one last thing: no coaster brakes (pedal brakes)! Get your child on hand brakes as quick as possible!

The reason I am knowledgeable about the fitting of children to bikes is that I coach children mountain biking every summer for the past 10 years in Whistler both in the bike park and pedaling in the valley.

I hope this info helps.

Oh, and Rallyraid do your children inhabit a plastic bubble? Way to promote a positive spin on getting kids into biking.
The kids I coach as well as the kids I see in the community do ride all of the stuff in the video on the Kona site. And they have yet to get close to being teenagers.
Children do care about what they have! Children are just as conscience of labels and quality as adults are. They pay attention to everything that goes on around them. Children are just small people without the life experience but they pick up on the smallest details.
Also, whatever happened to experiencing things for yourself? Drinking out of stream may make you sick but it might not. Didn't you ever eat or drink anything you weren't supposed to as a child. Generally most things kids do will not kill them. And if there are any adverse affects they have learned not to do it again.
 
Now that I look at the specs on the Konas, there's further proof a sucker is born every minute. There's nothing closer to a plastic bubble than "coaching" mountain biking to kids, or insisting that they need a suspension bike. Living vicariously through your children is no way to go through life, because I'm sure a 7 year old will know the finer points between an Alivio, Acera or Deore parts.
 
rallyraid said:
Now that I look at the specs on the Konas, there's further proof a sucker is born every minute. There's nothing closer to a plastic bubble than "coaching" mountain biking to kids, or insisting that they need a suspension bike. Living vicariously through your children is no way to go through life, because I'm sure a 7 year old will know the finer points between an Alivio, Acera or Deore parts.
Wow! I'm not really sure where to start with replying to this response! I guess this is the interwebz so I should have been prepared for a complete and total 'expert' opinion (see, I can use quotes as well!).

Here, let me try:
Kona specs - not much wrong with them for a child's bike or even as a starter adult's bike. I'm not sure where you are coming from with the sucker comment. Maybe it is just Kona hate? Just because you don't like the company doesn't mean that they don't have a solid product.

"Coaching" and children - not sure what the quotes are implying but I'll take a stab at it. Yes, I coach/instruct/teach children in several different sports. I have also taught children in the classroom but that is beside the point. I am not living vicariously through any of the children that I coach. I am enjoying my time riding with them regardless of the equipment being used. And enjoying their successes at becoming better riders. I live a life that I feel most people would be jealous of. I get paid to ride a bike in the summer and I get paid to snowboard and ski in the winter. And I love it! It is much better to me than sitting in a cubicle! Maybe you are implying that the profession that I have chosen just straight up sucks. It is okay to hold that opinion. And it is okay that I have my opinion.
If you are implying that there is no point in coaching/instructing/teaching children biking or any other sport you may need to tell that to all the other sport organizations around the world that we are all wasting our time.
Or maybe you are implying that children won't benefit from any kind of instruction, coached or otherwise because they are children. This I truely do not believe. Several of the children I have coached over the years have gone on to race and compete in their winter and summer sports at a provincial and national level. And I am happy to have had a hand in helping them get to that level.

Suspension on a child's bike - you are correct in stating that all children's bikes do not need suspension but that really depends on where it is going to be used. Where I live and coach front suspension as a starting point is somewhat necessary. You may counter that argument by bringing up the rigid and single speed riders but I don't subscribe to any of that philosophy of riding. In my area I have never seen a rigid bike on the trails. I have seen a small number of single speeds.
However, I did not 'insist' that a suspension bike was needed. I stated that if the OP was looking at a bike with suspension what to look for in the suspension. Try not to "misquote" me when "quoting" me.

As for the 'finer points' in components - children may or may not be savvy to the name brands but they certainly can tell when components on their bikes don't work the way they should. So, checking to see if a higher end groupo is on the bike will generally lead to it working better for longer.

To the OP - sorry for derailing the thread a little but with this clarification to the 'expert' it may have enlightened my original answer more.
 
RideEverything said:
Wow! I'm not really sure where to start with replying to this response! I guess this is the interwebz so I should have been prepared for a complete and total 'expert' opinion (see, I can use quotes as well!).

Here, let me try:
Kona specs - not much wrong with them for a child's bike or even as a starter adult's bike. I'm not sure where you are coming from with the sucker comment. Maybe it is just Kona hate? Just because you don't like the company doesn't mean that they don't have a solid product.

"Coaching" and children - not sure what the quotes are implying but I'll take a stab at it. Yes, I coach/instruct/teach children in several different sports. I have also taught children in the classroom but that is beside the point. I am not living vicariously through any of the children that I coach. I am enjoying my time riding with them regardless of the equipment being used. And enjoying their successes at becoming better riders. I live a life that I feel most people would be jealous of. I get paid to ride a bike in the summer and I get paid to snowboard and ski in the winter. And I love it! It is much better to me than sitting in a cubicle! Maybe you are implying that the profession that I have chosen just straight up sucks. It is okay to hold that opinion. And it is okay that I have my opinion.
If you are implying that there is no point in coaching/instructing/teaching children biking or any other sport you may need to tell that to all the other sport organizations around the world that we are all wasting our time.
Or maybe you are implying that children won't benefit from any kind of instruction, coached or otherwise because they are children. This I truely do not believe. Several of the children I have coached over the years have gone on to race and compete in their winter and summer sports at a provincial and national level. And I am happy to have had a hand in helping them get to that level.

Suspension on a child's bike - you are correct in stating that all children's bikes do not need suspension but that really depends on where it is going to be used. Where I live and coach front suspension as a starting point is somewhat necessary. You may counter that argument by bringing up the rigid and single speed riders but I don't subscribe to any of that philosophy of riding. In my area I have never seen a rigid bike on the trails. I have seen a small number of single speeds.
However, I did not 'insist' that a suspension bike was needed. I stated that if the OP was looking at a bike with suspension what to look for in the suspension. Try not to "misquote" me when "quoting" me.

As for the 'finer points' in components - children may or may not be savvy to the name brands but they certainly can tell when components on their bikes don't work the way they should. So, checking to see if a higher end groupo is on the bike will generally lead to it working better for longer.

To the OP - sorry for derailing the thread a little but with this clarification to the 'expert' it may have enlightened my original answer more.
Wow. They let the mentally unstable work with kids, Canada has reached a new low. :thumbsup:

O Canada!
O Canada!
 
I bought my 7 year old one of these: http://bikes.konaworld.com/09/09_makenab_en.cfm

Got a good deal as a closeout model, and he is thrilled, granted the only thing he cared about was he wanted black because it matches my Tomac. The bike almost never sees pavement, shifting is smooth and the grip shift was easier for him to get the hang of. The fork works reasonably well. I may switch the tires out to SB8's since what's on there is more of a semi-slick. My only complaint is I kinda wish it was a threadless steertube.

At any rate, the price means nothing to me compared with time spent together. :thumbsup:
 
rallyraid said:
Wow. They let the mentally unstable work with kids, Canada has reached a new low. :thumbsup:

O Canada!
O Canada!
This is such an eloquent counterpoint. I did not realize I was dealing with a mental giant with superior debating skills :rolleyes: .
 
OP,
you should check the coming month's issue of Decline magazine there is a full two page spread of kids mountain bikes. Some of them might be a bit large but that depends on how big your child is.
 
My son is a bit older, 10, and I just put him on a Fisher PreCaliber 24" last fall. There is a 20" too if I remember right, but I think it is a single ring front where the 24 is double. Out of all the 'kids' bikes I could find it seemed to be set up the best. The other I was looking at was a Jamis, same money and less bike IMO. His Fisher is a lot too tall geared as was posted above. I'd like to see something around 3mph at 100 rpm in the granny gear, I haven't checked his exactly but I think it is something around 5-6 mph. It's hard to learn to climb when you run out of horsepower, and the little guys just don't have the horsepower to spin a steep section at 5-6 mph. Hell, sometimes I don't have the power to spin a steep that fast. I did a lot of looking and the Fisher was the best I could find, we will get it dialed in as the weather warms up.
 
Thanks for the tip Jonathan.

Oops, my son just corrected me, it is a triple ring front and 7 ring cassette. I'll be looking for another cassette, but the odds of one being made for this application to do what I want will be pretty slim I think. I haven't looked to see if the chainrings are replaceable either. I'll figure something out.
 
HSMITH said:
Oops, my son just corrected me, it is a triple ring front and 7 ring cassette.
Oh. You could probably convert to nine-speed, but then you're talking new shifters, new chain, and probably a new derailer, in addition to a new cassette. And then you either have to do the work, or pay your shop to do it. You're practically rebuilding the bike at that point.
 
TahoeGator, Where have you heard the bad things about the Marin kids bikes? My son has a hidden canyon 20" MTB. He purchased it when he was 6. Yes HE bought it with his money. It was used and he had the $100.00 saved up. My boy is about to turn 8 and he tears it up on his Marin. As far as the Marins chains rusting and hub seizing, any bike will have problems if you don't take care of it.

The bike has an aluminum frame which makes it light for a kids bike. I did get some meaty pedals from the TREK dealer. He took them off a womens model MTB. They fit perfect. My sone rides with me a lot and has taken the hidden canyon on some red trails at Santos in Ocala, FL. It has let him become familiar with shifting gears, using hand brakes, and he just feels cool on a REAL MTB!

When it is time for him to step up to a 24" bike I will look at Marin again as well as the Konas and what ever else is available at the time. One of my riding buddies son has a 24" kona and loves it, unfortunaley it is very heavy. It is the shred 24 an 08' I think. Based around a jump bike.
 
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