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davep said:
Please explain to me how I am 'wildly off'..
You were off claiming it was "6 years old". You chose to ignore the rest of my post, so I'll ignore the rest of yours. 4 years is a lot less than 6.
 
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davep said:
Please explain to me how I am 'wildly off'. If you buy a 2005 model car that has been sitting on the lot for 5 years is it magically a 2010 model???? I did NOT say it had been ridden for 6 years (I know it is easier to just jump to conclusions rather than read the actual text), but this bike is no way, no how a 2006 model as the OP claimed.

Lets assume that I am completely wrong, and the frame is (gasp) a 2005(really a 2004 that was shipped late), and he bought it in 2006, and the OP has a reciept, and he bought it new. It is still WAY out of warranty, a model that was last mfg in 2004, and a design that has seen three newer itterations. (lets also assume that the OP did not bring up ANY of these extenuating circumstances in his post because that make soooo much sense).

Just 'cuz' lets pretend that RFXs did not sell and were not in demand, and somehow the frame was bought new last month. It STILL is a 6 year old design that has undergone three significant changes. Find any 6 year old object in you house..stove, couch, TV, computer, skateboard, washer, shelving unit, place setting, window, whatever you imagine...... and try to find an original replacement part for it regardless of price.

What is also possible is that the OP bought a 2006 and then purchased a used (who know how old, or how abused) HL rear end put that on his frame assuming it would 'ride better' (pretty plausable based on the questioning of TNT/horst differences that were beat to death years ago). STILL the parts in question are second hand, out of warranty, and 6 years old....

Please find me another company that would have parts (the OP alluded to the ability to 'get' a TNT rear) for a 6 year old design, and would actually cover rear stay parts at this age.

It is an old bike that is ridden in the mountains. Sh1t breaks when it gets old.

The standard here is NOT what every whiny bike rider wants it to be (and lets be honest an unbiased at least this time and agree that a large portion of MTB warranty expectations would be absolutely laughable (see this thread, ie rock damage) in any other industry)....it IS what the industry supports. No matter how you look at it, support of any kind for a frame this old (not to mention the $500 trade in, forum support, refurbish program) is far beyond the industry norm.

"manufacturer defect" seems to be a term that bicycle consumer have a very hard time understanding.
I did go and look at my receipt, and it is infact an 05. Oops my bad. Let me clarify my OP a little bit. It was in no way shape or form a rip on turner. Infact I ever mentioned the word warranty at all nor was my wording in any way inflammatory toward turner. I love my bike! The purpose of my OP was simply to state my situation and try to gain some knowledge in order to make an educated decision on what I should do.I was under the impression that was the whole point of these forums. It is really disappointing to me when people hijack these forums to grandstand and start a battle of wits over who knows more about said company.Get a life man! I have met and ridden with DT and for the record I think he is a stand up guy and admire the business he has built greatly.I know Greg is a very busy man and will do what he can for me.
I am ignorant to the tnt vs hl debate hence my thread. Again any constructive input would be hugely appreciated.
Anybody want to sell/ trade a hl would be awesome!
 
big JC said:
I do have tnt rear end in alost new condition I would be happy to trade you not sure if it matters but mine is a size large
I'm sure the sizes are the same (the front triangles are what's different), but I wouldn't do this unless it is something you really want. My rear triangle is not "almost new", it's original. Holding up fine, but it doesn't look new or anything. If you are really interested, PM me.
 
chng$.dly said:
Regardless, SSINGA (a mod) got two replacement stays covered for the exact same "mishap" within a months time. See, it does pay to be a mod;)
wrong!! I've never broken a Turner. :nono:
 
chng$.dly said:
Really?

Nobody mentioned "broken". Have you ever been given a replacement stay due to a stick lodging itself between your d'er and wheel ... subsequently bending your dropout?
Nope - Bye! :cornut:
 
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AndyN said:
No need to bag on the guy, we don't even know the whole story.
Turners break as often as any manufactures but the Homers turn into defensive, aggressive bees when anyone even hints around anything negative about their frames or customer service. It is truly funny to watch and defines the true Turner homer.
 
Jaybo said:
Turners break as often as any manufactures but the Homers turn into defensive, aggressive bees when anyone even hints around anything negative about their frames or customer service. It is truly funny to watch and defines the true Turner homer.
Weak sauce. Same tired cliche, different day. Do you realize that you are on a Turner forum?? You can bash the regulars here all you want, but the whole point of a TURNER forum is for people who like Turner bikes to discuss Turner bikes and related biking topics...

Are you surprised that the people on a Turner forum are positively biased to the Turner brand? THAT IS WHY THEY ARE HERE.

If you don't like people posting positive things about Turner bikes, go somewhere else and your problems will go away.
 
big JC said:
hey everyone this is my very first post I have an 06 6-pack that I absolutely love The problem is that it has developed a small crack (about 2 mm) on the disk brake tab I have been trying to get Greg at Turner to fix it for about a month with no luck as of yet How much performance will I lose by putting on a tnt rear end? Anybody have a hl seatstay they want to part with? I live in portland or anybody know a welder that could fix and heat treat properly Thanxs for any input
I can't believe you want them to fix the previous generation bike you broke for free.

Sounds like it can be fixed, but it's abuse caused, and even if they wanted to "replace", they are using DWlink based frames now.
 
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fawndog said:
I can't believe you want them to fix the previous generation bike you broke for free.

Sounds like it can be fixed, but it's abuse caused, and even if they wanted to "replace", they are using DWlink based frames now.
never said anything about "for free" and you havn't got a clue what caused it
 
Back to the question at hand. I've ridden both rear ends extensively(Is this a prison story?) I preferred the lateral stiffness of the TNT model, as well as the fact that the bike did not squat like the HL on techy climbs. The TNT would be my first choice for a replacement rear. I have an HL rear on my 5-pack I'll trade you for if you can get your hands on a TNT rear. I'll even kick in $25.00 extra since mine has seen some action.
 
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El Chingon said:
Back to the question at hand. I've ridden both rear ends extensively(Is this a prison story?) I preferred the lateral stiffness of the TNT model, as well as the fact that the bike did not squat like the HL on techy climbs. The TNT would be my first choice for a replacement rear. I have an HL rear on my 5-pack I'll trade you for if you can get your hands on a TNT rear. I'll even kick in $25.00 extra since mine has seen some action.
Thanks for the input dude (pun intended) I really appreciate it. I have done a lot of reading in the turner threads in the last couple of days and everybody seeme to share youy sentiment about the tnt. I bought my turner when hl was all the rage and haven't really payed attention to the new designs as of late. So I guess I to will ride both rear ends hard heehee
cheers
 
AndyN said:
No need to bag on the guy, we don't even know the whole story.
no crash.

baby head rock got kicked up by the front tire, smacked the derailleur.
bent derailleur, hangar and dropout

Just figured a $20 hanger was intended to protect the much more expensive stay.
 
Jaybo said:
Turners break as often as any manufactures but the Homers turn into defensive, aggressive bees when anyone even hints around anything negative about their frames or customer service. It is truly funny to watch and defines the true Turner homer.
Some of this post is just not accurate. Turners do not break as often as "any" other manufacture's bikes. Yes, I've seen a Turner or two break in what was a legitimate warranty claim and they were handled as such. However, the percentage of Turner bikes I've seen break is much lower than most other manufactures. Are they the strongest bikes made for a give weight and suspension travel? There's no way for me to know, but they are definitely stronger than most.
 
big JC said:
hey everyone this is my very first post I have an 06 6-pack that I absolutely love The problem is that it has developed a small crack (about 2 mm) on the disk brake tab I have been trying to get Greg at Turner to fix it for about a month with no luck as of yet How much performance will I lose by putting on a tnt rear end? Anybody have a hl seatstay they want to part with? I live in portland or anybody know a welder that could fix and heat treat properly Thanxs for any input
I think you might like the tnt end better. I had a couple horst rfxs(one got stolen) and later got an 08 tnt rfx. The horst rfx's I had would sometimes ghost shift on really hard efforts. It would only ghost shift in the 7 and 8? cogs. The only thing I could attribute it to was a little flexing at the chainstay. With the switch to tnt, the pivot moved to the seatstay and therefore stiffened up the chainstay a titch. I also felt like the tnt would stiffen up a skosh when the brakes were applied and it felt more controlled on descents. Contrary to all the old banter regarding how bad it is when braking effecting suspension. Don't be skeered, try the tnt. Do you honestly think dt would have made the switch if it didn't work better? I don't think digression is a part of the Turner Modo.
 
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freebiker said:
I think you might like the tnt end better. I had a couple horst rfxs(one got stolen) and later got an 08 tnt rfx. The horst rfx's I had would sometimes ghost shift on really hard efforts. It would only ghost shift in the 7 and 8? cogs. The only thing I could attribute it to was a little flexing at the chainstay. With the switch to tnt, the pivot moved to the seatstay and therefore stiffened up the chainstay a titch. I also felt like the tnt would stiffen up a skosh when the brakes were applied and it felt more controlled on descents. Contrary to all the old banter regarding how bad it is when braking effecting suspension. Don't be skeered, try the tnt. Do you honestly think dt would have made the switch if it didn't work better? I don't think digression is a part of the Turner Modo.
Ok, cool, got it. Perhaps the tnt will benefit me even more as I weigh 215 without gear.
I actually developed the crack in moab. When I went to the only store in moab that sold turner guess who was there? none other than Mr Dave Turner himself. He looked at the crack, made a phone call and had a tnt rear end mailed to the bike shop in one and a half days. All at no cost to me. How is that for awesome!! Thanks for the reply freebiker
 
big JC said:
Ok, cool, got it. Perhaps the tnt will benefit me even more as I weigh 215 without gear.
I actually developed the crack in moab. When I went to the only store in moab that sold turner guess who was there? none other than Mr Dave Turner himself. He looked at the crack, made a phone call and had a tnt rear end mailed to the bike shop in one and a half days. All at no cost to me. How is that for awesome!! Thanks for the reply freebiker
Glad I could help you, Happy Trails, enjoy your RFX!
 
freebiker said:
I think you might like the tnt end better. Do you honestly think dt would have made the switch if it didn't work better? I don't think digression is a part of the Turner Modo.
DT builds an awesome bike, but he moved away from the HL due to patent issues. I don't know if the TNT works better than Turners earlier implementation of HL. I bet that DT would have kept refining his HL design if not for BS patent issues. TNT is just a single pivot suspension with a fancy shock linkage.
 
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