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then pony up holmes...

that is all anyone is asking..

yes, the G2 geo is the one of the better geo's out there. yes, a shorter front center or shorter amount of trail can make all of the difference. don't think the Ti fly got their geo all by themselves do you???lol please dont be that niave....

just like Giant and the Maestro suspsension.. a blatant rip off of the DW link if there ever was one...

you provide us with information and let the people ascertain the situation representation..
 
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brook_63@yahoo.com said:
then pony up holmes...

that is all anyone is asking..

1) Moto Ti frame geometry based on Fisher Superfly without G2 fork is NOT a dialed handling bike, just an ill advised assumption!

yes, the G2 geo is the one of the better geo's out there. yes, a shorter front center or shorter amount of trail can make all of the difference. don't think the Ti fly got their geo all by themselves do you???lol please dont be that niave....
So do you think the Fisher Superfly has dialed handling or not? Seems you are back peddling after a SF owner set the record straight.

I'm sure design cues were taken from other frames for the Fly Ti 29 frame build, but the proof is in the ride, period.

No one I'm aware of has complained about geometry, flex, handling or quality of these Moto Ti frames, so why this speculative, baseless BS is coming up is beyond me. I'm not going to say that the Moto frame is better or worse than any other manufacturer's product of which I have no experience with, and neither should anyone else in the same position. That's just silly and childish.

"ride what you like, just ride" was one of the few phrases of substance I could pull out of your useless factoid filled rant of drivel.
 
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no, not back pedalling at all, new G2 geo is excellent!
older fishers handle like trucks
and he is assuming the axle to crown length is the same along with the idea that 69.5 head angles on 29er's are optimal..

most newer 29ers have head angles in the 71-72 degree range and yes 2 degrees is significant!

the Moto frame is fine for what it is..

but, to have some shill come on here and say it is the best out there is misleading at best, and just plain ridiculous at worst.

enjoy your ride.....
 
brook_63@yahoo.com said:
the Moto frame is fine for what it is..

but, to have some shill come on here and say it is the best out there is misleading at best, and just plain ridiculous at worst.

enjoy your ride.....
I would like to say I understand your point of view; however 'fine for what it is..' really is not fair. In addition, there is no shill posting on this site for us and never has been.

The FLY 29er Ti Team is fine for a $5000 bike; it is very good for a $4000 bike; it is beyond excellent for a $3000 bike; and it is just an isane value at under $2000

This is way we always run out before we can get more. Which holds true for all our Ti bikes {including the FLY 26er Ti Team - which I personally think is the best production CX HT sold in the USA at any price}

Nice news is: by fall 2010 we will have two more Ti MTB models and more supply of all Ti bikes.
 
bikesdirect said:
I would like to say I understand your point of view; however 'fine for what it is..' really is not fair. In addition, there is no shill posting on this site for us and never has been.

The FLY 29er Ti Team is fine for a $5000 bike; it is very good for a $4000 bike; it is beyond excellent for a $3000 bike; and it is just an isane value at under $2000

This is way we always run out before we can get more. Which holds true for all our Ti bikes {including the FLY 26er Ti Team - which I personally think is the best production CX HT sold in the USA at any price}

Nice news is: by fall 2010 we will have two more Ti MTB models and more supply of all Ti bikes.
when are you going to manufacture insane value full sus 29er?
 
Good quality

bikesdirect said:
we have our thrid sample being made now
I intend to do one - but not until I am totally happy with the frame and its performance

sorry it is taking so long
I have seen the 26" Fly Ti in person and that is one sweet bike. The guy thought I was nuts when I was studying the welds, looking for imperfections, etc.

All I can tell you is that the quality is incredible.

Mike, I appreciate your business model in making super bikes affordable to us while still making a profit.

Make to order is the way to go. :thumbsup:
 
bikesdirect said:
we have our thrid sample being made now
I intend to do one - but not until I am totally happy with the frame and its performance

sorry it is taking so long
good deal

for what it's worth, the pathetic sheep that suggested you are a shill is wrong. by definition, a shill is somebody who STARTS a thread with intent which is not the case here (not that I would care if it were the case to be honest).

i must say...while i have a Ti frame from somebody else on the way, that is truly a killer deal!
 
pathetic sheep huh, thanks for the compliment.
leave it to you to throw out the insults...

but free advertising is free advertising, and i dont see Moots, Potts or anyone else from Vassago coming on here spouting off how great their bikes are....for free

re-investigate the meaning of the word bro, and take it in the sense of the spirit not the letter of the word..geez
 
bikesdirect said:
I would like to say I understand your point of view; however 'fine for what it is..' really is not fair. In addition, there is no shill posting on this site for us and never has been.

The FLY 29er Ti Team is fine for a $5000 bike; it is very good for a $4000 bike; it is beyond excellent for a $3000 bike; and it is just an isane value at under $2000

This is way we always run out before we can get more. Which holds true for all our Ti bikes {including the FLY 26er Ti Team - which I personally think is the best production CX HT sold in the USA at any price}

Nice news is: by fall 2010 we will have two more Ti MTB models and more supply of all Ti bikes.
Mike is one of these new offerings a "ss 29er" ?
 
I have observed that many of the folks that are fairly recent members of mtbr are really really really enthusiastic about their BD bikes, some actually do want to change a bit here or there though. I was a newb too once and lurked here till I found out what I wanted by reading critical reports and subjective views from many folk. A person that had the perfect bike wasn't who I was listening to. Am I 100% happy with my choice.... I never have been that I know of and am not now.

This post has no point, sorry
 
ewheeldrive said:
Mike is one of these new offerings a "ss 29er" ?
We have 2 new SS 29ers coming out
Which will be in before Dec 31st
One Aluminum; One 4130 Chrm-Moly
Both are $349.95 delivered

Do you feel there is a market for a Ti upper end SS?
Rigid or FS?
of course, with ability to convert to 9-speed or more - I assume

what would be a great price on a Ti SS 29er with upper end parts?

I like 29ers and I love SS and I really like Ti
so it might be a fun project
 
bikesdirect said:
We have 2 new SS 29ers coming out
Which will be in before Dec 31st
One Aluminum; One 4130 Chrm-Moly
Both are $349.95 delivered

Do you feel there is a market for a Ti upper end SS?
Rigid or FS?
of course, with ability to convert to 9-speed or more - I assume

what would be a great price on a Ti SS 29er with upper end parts?

I like 29ers and I love SS and I really like Ti
so it might be a fun project
You would know more about what's feasable. I think that you'd get support from any BD 29er or Ti fan.

I was thinking hardtail w/ a Reba, aluminum or Ti option appropriately spec'd. Aluminum $600-$800? Ti $1400-$1600? The pricing is a guess, but all you have now are pretty inexpensive equipped models .Something on par w/ single speeds guys are building up may have some appeal. I'd be the first in line. I was going to purchase a Moto 29er geared but love the simplicity of the SS and have been holding out to see what's next.
Sorry for hijacking this thread.
 
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bikesdirect said:
We have 2 new SS 29ers coming out
Which will be in before Dec 31st
One Aluminum; One 4130 Chrm-Moly
Both are $349.95 delivered

Do you feel there is a market for a Ti upper end SS?
Rigid or FS?
of course, with ability to convert to 9-speed or more - I assume

what would be a great price on a Ti SS 29er with upper end parts?

I like 29ers and I love SS and I really like Ti
so it might be a fun project
Take your fly ti and substract all the high end components that makes it a gear bike.
Cassette, shifters, derrailleurs, etc.

You should be at $1400-1500 for a Ti SS at your price.
PS, try getting a better engaging hub for Single Speed... 36pt or higher...
I am in for one...
 
Geared and or SS

Zion Rasta said:
Take your fly ti and substract all the high end components that makes it a gear bike.
Cassette, shifters, derrailleurs, etc.

You should be at $1400-1500 for a Ti SS at your price.
PS, try getting a better engaging hub for Single Speed... 36pt or higher...
I am in for one...
How about something with a convertible rear drop out.
 
bikesdirect said:
We have 2 new SS 29ers coming out
Which will be in before Dec 31st
One Aluminum; One 4130 Chrm-Moly
Both are $349.95 delivered

Do you feel there is a market for a Ti upper end SS?
Rigid or FS?
of course, with ability to convert to 9-speed or more - I assume

what would be a great price on a Ti SS 29er with upper end parts?

I like 29ers and I love SS and I really like Ti
so it might be a fun project
Mike,

IMO, there's a strong market to Ti SS.

** The frame should come with sliders, so it can support gears. I would strongly advise against EBB. No need to go into it now and here, but you can study it as you move along.

** A price that will entice many folks, including myself is $1,500.

** The fork is a not crucial factor. You will never please everybody. Some want rigid, other Fox and a few will take anything.

** I would skimp on other components and focus on wheels. They must have decent engagement (36p at least or even optimally) and if you can, make them tubeless ready (I know; that maybe too much for you, given Stan is the only player in the market). 28mm width would be appreciated by riders that prefer rigid (e.g., wider footprint for voluminous tires).

** All the other bits and pieces are insignificant. If any one wants high end, they'll spend $500 and replace the cockpit and seating area. Be cheap; it's fine.

** Mount a crankset with external BB. Single speeders like to hammer and ISIS and ST are prone to flex.

** Be measly on tires - they are disposable.

** Brakes should be BB7. Everybody is happy with them and there are tons of upgrade options (cables, levers, rotors, etc). All the other mech offerings (Hayes etc) leave a bad impression on buyers. If it entails and extra $100 in retail price, go for it. Mechs are natural complement to the simplicity of SS. Of course, riders can always upgrade.

I personally would be such bike and spend extra $500 to 1,000 to make it shine.

Hope that helps.
 
Climber999 said:
Mike,

IMO, there's a strong market to Ti SS.

** The frame should come with sliders, so it can support gears. I would strongly advise against EBB. No need to go into it now and here, but you can study it as you move along.

** A price that will entice many folks, including myself is $1,500.

** The fork is a not crucial factor. You will never please everybody. Some want rigid, other Fox and a few will take anything.

** I would skimp on other components and focus on wheels. They must have decent engagement (36p at least or even optimally) and if you can, make them tubeless ready (I know; that maybe too much for you, given Stan is the only player in the market). 28mm width would be appreciated by riders that prefer rigid (e.g., wider footprint for voluminous tires).
** All the other bits and pieces are insignificant. If any one wants high end, they'll spend $500 and replace the cockpit and seating area. Be cheap; it's fine.

** Mount a crankset with external BB. Single speeders like to hammer and ISIS and ST are prone to flex.

** Be measly on tires - they are disposable.

** Brakes should be BB7. Everybody is happy with them and there are tons of upgrade options (cables, levers, rotors, etc). All the other mech offerings (Hayes etc) leave a bad impression on buyers. If it entails and extra $100 in retail price, go for it. Mechs are natural complement to the simplicity of SS. Of course, riders can always upgrade.

I personally would be such bike and spend extra $500 to 1,000 to make it shine.

Hope that helps.
I am very interested in Opinions
What wheel spec would everyone like to see?
Hubs? Rims? spoke count?

also interested in crank that is prefered on highend SS 29er

I can do an AL one real quick with Tora or Reba and nice specs
and then a Ti one a bit later after getting frame sample

I love to hear what forum members think

thanks
 
bikesdirect said:
I am very interested in Opinions
What wheel spec would everyone like to see?
Hubs? Rims? spoke count?

also interested in crank that is prefered on highend SS 29er

I can do an AL one real quick with Tora or Reba and nice specs
and then a Ti one a bit later after getting frame sample

I love to hear what forum members think

thanks
Mike,

Before shooting the my opinion to you, let me commend you for nail the two most important components: wheels and crank. There is very little left to upgrade to make it a nice SS.

Wheels
** Unless you purchase from wheels experts like Bonrager, Easton or American Classic, you should offer the wheels with 32 spokes. Many 29er riders are on the heavy side and less than that will yield a flexy wheel. I would not go with 36 to cater a smaller niche of Clyds.

** Go for double butted spokes like DT Swiss Competition. Triple butted might be too be flexy. Straight gauge is heavy and not for XC application; you will turn people off.

** Hubs should have decent engagement (36p and above), relatively light and with good bearings. Good XC SS hubs are DT Swiss, Maybe the new American Classic, CK. Some would argue for other names.

** Rims should be tubeless. Can you get Stan's? Everybody will love you for that. Arch or Flow will do the trick. The Flow has a wider profile and offer let the tire grow for a wider footprint. Mind you, tubed rims is a turn off for most people. We like to ride with low PSI and not be concerned about flats.

** Maybe you can get from America Classics their tubeless ready SS wheelset. That would be splendid.

Crank
Truvative Stylo, or preferably Stylo OCT (the latter is a better value). Race Face Deus SS is a another option. They should be with 32t chain ring, 170mm for small, 175mm for medium and large and 180mm for XL.

Last thing worth mentioning: don't get a crappy cog for the rear wheel. It should be 18t or 20t with wide base (4mm to 5mm). Narrow base gouges the drive shell. Niner, Rennen, Endless and many more make good cogs.

Hope that helps.
 
bikesdirect said:
I am very interested in Opinions
What wheel spec would everyone like to see?
Hubs? Rims? spoke count?

also interested in crank that is prefered on highend SS 29er

I can do an AL one real quick with Tora or Reba and nice specs
and then a Ti one a bit later after getting frame sample

I love to hear what forum members think

thanks
Tubeless wheels w/ 32 db spokes
Size specific crankarm length
 
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