Just curious. I wouldn't mind having one for next season. I haven't heard anything on it, especially since we just had interbike.
When do us common folk have a chance at buying a new DHR?
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I believe some of it is being reworked after wear on pivot points was discovered on the test mules.
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Late winter to early spring is what I have been told.
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Anyone happen to have an update on when the DW DHR will be available and possibly a suggested MSRP?
Seems like there has been little talk of the DHR even with having Interbike not to long ago.
Seems like there has been little talk of the DHR even with having Interbike not to long ago.
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i know i would f'in love one.
I finished the latest production tweaks to the suspension and chassis layout a few weeks ago, and the bike is in final engineering now. I'm not sure what that means for actual production (David would have a much better idea there), but rest assured that we are all working hard on it and thinking about the bike a lot. We learned a lot about the mechanical parts of the design this summer and there are quite a few structural improvements planned for the production model that I think are going to end up being really significant. It's going to be one heck of a race bike.
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I'm curious about this too. I'm considering the DW DHR and Transition TR450 for 2010. I get the whole Homer thing, but wondering when the new DHR, and RFX for that matter, will become a reality. Anyone?
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More than likely April. As DW pointed out the kinematics were revised, largely due to the limited tire clearance, and to get more tire clearance without increasing the rear end length the linkage and shock had to be moved forward a bit, this required DW to do his math once again as it pertains to rider and wheels and ground etcetc with an eye on what we learned from the protos. This change is allowing my engineer Todd, to beef up the link and bearing system from protos. More stiffness and less weight are on the short list for the revision, oh, and we threw the latest shock files in from Rockshox, Fox and Marzocchi to make sure we had clearance on everything they planned.
RFX, it rides as well as you would expect, but it is on the back burner till the DHR is in production.
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More than likely April. As DW pointed out the kinematics were revised, largely due to the limited tire clearance, and to get more tire clearance without increasing the rear end length the linkage and shock had to be moved forward a bit, this required DW to do his math once again as it pertains to rider and wheels and ground etcetc with an eye on what we learned from the protos. This change is allowing my engineer Todd, to beef up the link and bearing system from protos. More stiffness and less weight are on the short list for the revision, oh, and we threw the latest shock files in from Rockshox, Fox and Marzocchi to make sure we had clearance on everything they planned.
RFX, it rides as well as you would expect, but it is on the back burner till the DHR is in production.
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easy fit
Avy and CC easily fit within the shadow of the 3 other shock companies planned products, including the air shocks from RS and Marz.
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Avy and CC easily fit within the shadow of the 3 other shock companies planned products, including the air shocks from RS and Marz.
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Peat and Minnaar were testing the RS air shocks in SA for the 1st world cup this year.
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True but Peaty won the Worlds on the most pedaly course in recent history on a coil and on a DH bike while others played with shorter travel and air shocks, GEE for example ran the Fox proto air shock and it locked out on him insight of the finish costing him a podium and possibly the win the top 3 were separated by less than a wheel length in times it was that close, closest finish in Worlds history, top 5 less than a bike length, top 3 rigs were still all DH bikes light yes but coil rears!tailwind105 said:Peat and Minnaar were testing the RS air shocks in SA for the 1st world cup this year.
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Maybe in time they will get it down but its not true DH racing when ya riding DH tracks that require that level of weight loss, thank gawd Champery is back this year!
In saying that the Boxxer WC seems to have it dialed even if high maintenance but then this level of shock fork requires that, though interesting Marz have dropped the whole air fork thing and Fox still don;t make an Air triple fork yet!
In saying that I know a dude running a WC Roco Air it performs well enough though hard to tell with him, but it still squelches and belches like crazy, Its leaked air and had to been fixed at least once I know of and sounds like it needs it again! noise alone would drive me nutz!
All this is fine for the Peats etc but it was oh so close this year, just glad Peaty did it, his light weight rims, polished to perfection took some big hits and just survived his carcass
New DHR should be sweet by the sounds!, still like the old one too go the DHR :thumbsup:
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Any of you who were around the late 70's/early 80's know that the MX world dabbled in the magic of air shocks/forks....Namely, Steve Simmons, who later sold the tech to Fox [yes, that Fox], finally threw in the towel on air shox.
Seems that the theory was sound, but in actual use, the heat-buildup was the dealbreaker. Air expands A LOT when it's heated. Can you imagine having your perfectly dialed in air-shock, alter it's spring curve throughout a moto [or a DH] depending on how hard it was being beaten on? Apparently, lots of other riders discovered this "randomizer" setting in their really cool gold anodized air shock/forks.....Maybe because bicycle downhill courses are so short, air shock designers are all hoping their riders make it down before the air shocks go off the charts....? Who knows....
I find it mildly amusing that people are still trying to make a go at it today with a hypothesis that proved to be a dead end.....air shocks are great for XC, but for really moto'ing it? Good luck with that.....
Seems that the theory was sound, but in actual use, the heat-buildup was the dealbreaker. Air expands A LOT when it's heated. Can you imagine having your perfectly dialed in air-shock, alter it's spring curve throughout a moto [or a DH] depending on how hard it was being beaten on? Apparently, lots of other riders discovered this "randomizer" setting in their really cool gold anodized air shock/forks.....Maybe because bicycle downhill courses are so short, air shock designers are all hoping their riders make it down before the air shocks go off the charts....? Who knows....
I find it mildly amusing that people are still trying to make a go at it today with a hypothesis that proved to be a dead end.....air shocks are great for XC, but for really moto'ing it? Good luck with that.....
there are many variables to consider before making any sweeping generalizations.
e.g. a large-volume shock, operating at a low leverage ratio, could mitigate the increased air pressure issue.
personally i'm happy to run a good coil shock (Ti spring) on the rear of my longer travel bikes, primarily because the damping systems available for coil are miles ahead of what's currently in air shocks (my slackened uzzi is running a push MX 'avy' dhx coil, for example).
but then again i've hammered fairly hard on 3,000 ft descents on a 160 mm travel AM bike w/ a piggyback roco air, with 2.6 leverage ratio, and there were no air spring stiffening issues. actually, with many mtb shocks, the limiting factor seems to be rebound damping softening up as the damping oil heats up.
guess i'm just saying that while i won't be one of those running out to get an air shock for DH bikes, i'm still curious to observe the developments in that area.
e.g. a large-volume shock, operating at a low leverage ratio, could mitigate the increased air pressure issue.
personally i'm happy to run a good coil shock (Ti spring) on the rear of my longer travel bikes, primarily because the damping systems available for coil are miles ahead of what's currently in air shocks (my slackened uzzi is running a push MX 'avy' dhx coil, for example).
but then again i've hammered fairly hard on 3,000 ft descents on a 160 mm travel AM bike w/ a piggyback roco air, with 2.6 leverage ratio, and there were no air spring stiffening issues. actually, with many mtb shocks, the limiting factor seems to be rebound damping softening up as the damping oil heats up.
guess i'm just saying that while i won't be one of those running out to get an air shock for DH bikes, i'm still curious to observe the developments in that area.
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I hope everybody who's waiting on this bad boy knows that in the meantime they should pull the trigger on the current DHR. My goodness, mine is still so insanely fast and fun...it's it's ReDUNKulous!!!! Threads need pics. I'm plastering this one everywhere. Downtube sticker is thrashed...but rest assured....it's Turnerlicious.
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