Owners please weigh in... I am looking to invest into either a Moots Mooto x with sliders or an Eriksen custom frame. The Eriksen is full custom but will be a few hundred dollars more expensive. This is my entry into the Ti market and would love any input on these frames or comparisons if someone has been lucky enough to own both.
Moots v. Eriksen
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I have both an Eriksen and a Black Sheep and love both. Unwanted flex isn't a problem for eitherazjonboy said:
Yes, carbon is stiffer and Ti has a "whippier" feel to it. The trick is making a carbon HT that isn't overly punishing. Some hard core racers prefer the rigidity of carbon but for a HT I'll take Ti
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Can only speak to the Eriksen, not had a Moots. Been on plenty of other bikes: steel, alu, carbon and ti. It's the builder, design and tubing selections. Kent is superb to work with on tuning the tube specs and geo to your needs. Turn around time is pretty good as well.
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I too had a tough time deciding between a Moots or Eriksen (26" hardtail). I went to a local Moots dealer and rode a YBB, which was the closest thing to a Rigor Mootis I could find. Then, I called Kent (Eriksen) and told him what I was looking for and we had a fairly long conversation about what he could build and some design options for me to consider. I ended up going with Eriksen because of the his willingness to work with me and build exactly what I wanted.
Of Ti and flex. Prior to the Eriksen, my hardtail was a Specialized M2. So, I wanted something fairly stiff. Kent used larger/different tubes on my frame to achieve this. While the Ti frame is smoother than the M2, I do not have any "unwanted flex". Whatever flex the frame does have definitely doesn't detract from the ride. :thumbsup:
In the end, I think you'll be happy with either a Moots or an Eriksen, but I would certainly give Kent a call before you make your decision.
If you get a chance, Kent's shop is worth a visit:
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Of Ti and flex. Prior to the Eriksen, my hardtail was a Specialized M2. So, I wanted something fairly stiff. Kent used larger/different tubes on my frame to achieve this. While the Ti frame is smoother than the M2, I do not have any "unwanted flex". Whatever flex the frame does have definitely doesn't detract from the ride. :thumbsup:
In the end, I think you'll be happy with either a Moots or an Eriksen, but I would certainly give Kent a call before you make your decision.
If you get a chance, Kent's shop is worth a visit:
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the same two guys were on another thread talking the same thing about how Ti is too flexy. I can't really speak for what kind of Ti frame they owned but I can say that my Lynskey pro 29 is the first bike of ANY kind that I haven't wondered after a few months what I could get for it on ebay. If it were me and the funds were even close, I would definitely go the full custom route rather than the psuedo custom.
If Ti is such a poor choice for frame material, why do so many people that get a high end Ti frame, keep them forever?
If Ti is such a poor choice for frame material, why do so many people that get a high end Ti frame, keep them forever?
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...You should go with the Eriksen. That would be f'n sweet.
...You should go with the Eriksen. That would be f'n sweet.
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I do not own Eriksen, but I own 2 Moots bikes built by Kent back then. I also own Mooto X and Mooto XZ. I fit perfectly onto Moots stock size 19 so custom option worth zilch to me. I do not think Kent would build you YBB, since Moots (I think) holds the rights to it. So if you want the YBB you have to go Moots. My Mooto X (I've had it for 3.5 years) does not flex, I am running it SS (it has sliders). Now, if Kent would just make this ti/carbon Yeti from the above pic in 29, I would be all over it. Build quality is hard to distinguish between the 2.
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you are so F'ing high it isn't even funny. GT builds a full carbon world cup caliber DH bike, robert kubica had a nasty crash at the Canadian F1 GP in a almost entirely carbon fiber car a few years ago (look it up on you tube) and they drove that car again. carbon can be made strong enough to withstand an impact that would cause a Ti, Al or cromo tube to seriously dent/fail as well. all carbon is not created equal it can be light it can be strong, it can be stiff. pick TWO. their are so many variables with carbon that it is impossible to make broad statements like that.Sometimes said:
ti is flexy more like Ti can be flexy. me and 2 of my co-workers had 3 kona bikes all built on the same geometry mine in Ti (heihei) one in Al (kula 7 series iirc) and the last a steel explosife (853) one was a 18 and the other 2 20" frames all were within 2 years of new. we all rode each others bikes and all agreed that my Ti bike was the stiffest followed by the Al bike and the steel coming in last. although the difference was their it wasn't as big as any of us had expected.
that said i would stay away from the moots based purely on their stock geometry at least for where i ride. they use a pretty high BB, their site seems to be down but i want to say that it is almost 35mm higher than my bike. erickson builds a great bike but you might want to look at steve potts as well, one of the godfathers of our sport and an early 29er adopter.
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Kinna like asking blond or redhead? 
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you are so F'ing high it isn't even funny. GT builds a full carbon world cup caliber DH bike, robert kubica had a nasty crash at the Canadian F1 GP in a almost entirely carbon fiber car a few years ago (look it up on you tube) and they drove that car again. carbon can be made strong enough to withstand an impact that would cause a Ti, Al or cromo tube to seriously dent/fail as well. all carbon is not created equal it can be light it can be strong, it can be stiff. pick TWO. their are so many variables with carbon that it is impossible to make broad statements like that.Sometimes said:
ti is flexy more like Ti can be flexy. me and 2 of my co-workers had 3 kona bikes all built on the same geometry mine in Ti (heihei) one in Al (kula 7 series iirc) and the last a steel explosife (853) one was a 18 and the other 2 20" frames all were within 2 years of new. we all rode each others bikes and all agreed that my Ti bike was the stiffest followed by the Al bike and the steel coming in last. although the difference was their it wasn't as big as any of us had expected.
that said i would stay away from the moots based purely on their stock geometry at least for where i ride. they use a pretty high BB, their site seems to be down but i want to say that it is almost 35mm higher than my bike. erickson builds a great bike but you might want to look at steve potts as well, one of the godfathers of our sport and an early 29er adopter.
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I vote Moots.
I sold my Black Sheep to buy a used Moots YBB 26".
Rode it for 2 seasons, sold the 26"YBB (and other frames) to build two Mooto Xs. One SS, one geared.
Last year I rode the Mootsessss and thought 29? Ehh... not all bad.
This year, I don't know what changed but I LOVE those bikes. Finally got my center of gravity right or some such.
The best advice I've seen listed above- ride what you can and make a decision. Some might call these frames flexy. Some might say stiff. Some heavy, some light.
Either way- at the end of a day I am smiling smiling smiling no matter what the terrain and rarely feel outgunned by other bikes (their riders might be another story).
Either frame maker will make top quality stuff. Eriksen is the soup du jour for some buyers and as such seem a bit more boutique. One huge reason to go Moots would be the YBB. If a soft tail is what you want- that's your answer.
Back to flex. When I spec'd and built my bikes, I blew it here and there. Now, stiffer cranks and stem on the SS and I'm way happier. Same w/ bars, wheels, and thinned walled narrow tires.
You can save weight but it might not ride like you want.
By the way- I ride at about 160 and ride mostly Colorado trail.
No matter what- you'll be happy.
I sold my Black Sheep to buy a used Moots YBB 26".
Rode it for 2 seasons, sold the 26"YBB (and other frames) to build two Mooto Xs. One SS, one geared.
Last year I rode the Mootsessss and thought 29? Ehh... not all bad.
This year, I don't know what changed but I LOVE those bikes. Finally got my center of gravity right or some such.
The best advice I've seen listed above- ride what you can and make a decision. Some might call these frames flexy. Some might say stiff. Some heavy, some light.
Either way- at the end of a day I am smiling smiling smiling no matter what the terrain and rarely feel outgunned by other bikes (their riders might be another story).
Either frame maker will make top quality stuff. Eriksen is the soup du jour for some buyers and as such seem a bit more boutique. One huge reason to go Moots would be the YBB. If a soft tail is what you want- that's your answer.
Back to flex. When I spec'd and built my bikes, I blew it here and there. Now, stiffer cranks and stem on the SS and I'm way happier. Same w/ bars, wheels, and thinned walled narrow tires.
You can save weight but it might not ride like you want.
By the way- I ride at about 160 and ride mostly Colorado trail.
No matter what- you'll be happy.
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The answer my friend is blowing in the wind:
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Where have you been?
There is no problem with longevity if the builder knows what they're doing.
I had a carbon mountain bike OVER 10 YEARS AGO.rydbyk said:The longevity of carbon off road has yet to be seen.
Carbon is the 'it" material for now....stay tuned..
There is no problem with longevity if the builder knows what they're doing.
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