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When I told the owner of my LBS that I was planning to write this post he told me to cool down, and before complaining about Easton in public, to give them time to resolve my problem. That was 6 months ago. Now I look at this as less of a complaint than a public service announcement. If you're thinking about a set of Easton Wheels, you should know what you're in for.

I bought a pair of XC One's a couple of years ago, and I have to say I *loved* them. They're not cheap at about $1000, but they're light and snappy and strong. In the off-season last year, I broke a spoke on a ride and the nightmare began. Easton spokes are double-threaded--they thread into the hub as well as the nipple on the rim--and it turns out they're not easy to replace. My LBS gave up after they couldn't get the spoke out of the hub and sent the wheel back to Easton for factory service. About 10 weeks later I finally got the wheel back. On the upside, it was factory rebuilt, top-to-bottom. On the downside, Easton charged me nearly $200. Note to self: don't break a spoke.

Three months later, while training for my first racing season, the brand new factory installed bearings failed. The wheel started wobbling and brakes started chattering like hell. To make matters worse, the front wheel also needed service, but I was afraid of the avalanche that would start. I took the wheels back to my LBS and for weeks they couldn't get the time of day from Easton. No Return Authorization, no call backs. In frustration, the LBS told me to call Easton directly, thinking a customer call would get them moving. When I finally did speak to someone, they told me 1) there was a 6 week backlog for factory repairs, and 2) I should work through my LBS because they might be able to fix it without sending it back.

That started a round-robin between me, the LBS and Easton that dragged on for another few weeks. That was when I planned to write this post, but the LBS said give Easton time and they'd do me right. Well, they didn't. My $1000 racing rims were useless, and without another wheelset I couldn't train for Downieville. At this point, my LBS stepped up big-time and gave me a set of demo Crank Bros Iodines to train on while they tried to work things out with Easton. I ended up doing my entire training season, AND the Downieville race on a pair of rocking Crank Bros rims, while Easton wouldn't return calls or provide an R/A. At one point when I finally caught someone on the phone, they said they were "swamped" because of racing season. Gee, thanks.

When it came time to give up the Crank Bros rims I was screwed. So I started showing up at my LBS more often, and they started talking about the problem to the Easton sales rep who comes by every few weeks. The rep suggested he'd be able to help get the wheels swapped out to get things over and done with, which would have been great, but all he finally came up with was getting the Wheel Division to call the LBS with an R/A. And from what the shop owner told me, it wasn't the friendliest of calls. So I asked for the new contact and called Easton back, and I got a clear view of Easton's attitude toward customer service.

After a factory rebuild failed--a repair for which I was charged--after 6 months of not being able to get any kind of resolution from Easton to fix the wheels under warranty, the only thing the Easton customer service rep had to tell me is she doesn't know ~why~ I didn't deal directly with them all the way, she'll definitely need to see my receipts to see if the wheels are even covered, and of course, she can't make any promises on turnaround because there's a six-week backup. Now that's what I call service.

I will definitely post the resolution to this whenever that happens. Based on what I've seen so far, I'll have to walk to the factory myself and still wind up having to pay hundreds of dollars for a "factory repair". If I had the money, I'd dump the wheels and buy a pair of those Iodines.

So here's the bottom line. I love the XC Ones. They're a great wheel when they work. But God help you if they ever break. At that point, you're no longer dealing with a good Easton product, you're dealing with a company that has no concept of how to manage the repair chain or customer service.
 
Never good to hear stuff like this. I rode the heck out of my Havocs for four years with no problems. I broke a few spokes in that time and easton was quick to ship new ones and they were easy to replace. Hopefully this is an anamoly for them.
 
smithrider said:
Hopefully this is an anamoly for them.
Does it really matter if it is an anomaly or not. Getting things right 99 percent of the time is great for 99 percent of the folks out there, but I wouldn't take the chance that I wouldn't be the 1 percent guy. For $200, I don't mind being a little bit adventurous, but not at $1000.

FWIW, that is why, with few exceptions, my wheels are typical cup and cone hubs(have one with cartridge bearings, but my own source for the bearings), and my rims are standard spoke designs. Nothing i can't pick up at any shop.

When you do step out of that comfort zone into proprietary parts, you should be able to count on them being available.
 
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VintageFolly said:
FWIW, that is why, with few exceptions, my wheels are typical cup and cone hubs(have one with cartridge bearings, but my own source for the bearings), and my rims are standard spoke designs. Nothing i can't pick up at any shop.
Word.

If I were more conspiracy-minded, I'd say Easton was putting so many proprietary bits in the wheels (double-threaded spokes, special sealed bearings) to capture more of the maintenance and repair revenue from the local bike shops. But that's just crazy talk.
 
VintageFolly said:
FWIW, that is why, with few exceptions, my wheels are typical cup and cone hubs(have one with cartridge bearings, but my own source for the bearings), and my rims are standard spoke designs. Nothing i can't pick up at any shop.

When you do step out of that comfort zone into proprietary parts, you should be able to count on them being available.
That's why I wouldn't buy any wheelset using special parts (Mavic X-max, Easton, Crank Brother,...) for competition use. It's quite easy to have a problem with any wheel out there while racing/training, so if you can fix it with standard parts you'll have less trouble solving it.

By the way, Easton should be VERY embarrased with this :nono:
 
THanks for the post...

a riding friend and I are about to get new high end wheelsets.....this reminds me to stick with off the shelf parts to ensure we don't have to go through the crap the poster has gone through. I sincerely hope that it is resolved soon although, at this point I am not sure how they make it right after so much time.
 
I don't race, but I am a Clyde and I ride hard on my wheels and I ride a lot. DT swiss hubs or Hadley's for me, with J spokes. May not look like much, but if anything goes wrong, you can get parts. I keep and carry spares, all the time, on hand. Broken spokes? no problems, 291mm DT Swiss Comps on the drive side, 293mm on the disc side.

I've seen the same story with Shimano 776 proprietary wheels of a friend of mine. Blown rear axle, send it back to Shimano, covered under warranty in 2 weeks with new wheels, breaks again, get new wheels, sells them off, and buys a set of Iodines.
 
I have a set of Easton XC Two 29. I went with them because I like the straight pull design.

You didn't mention how you broke the spoke, your weight, riding style or why you had the whole wheel rebuilt when breaking a spoke? You are racing so I would guess you're pushing them to the limit?

The Easton FAQ states the following:

http://www.eastonbike.com/PRODUCTS/WHEELS/wheel_FAQs.html#Q05
Q. Where do I get a replacement spoke?
When we designed the hubs, we made sure that the threads were the same in the hub as they are in the nipple. Many shops have a machine for threading the end of a spoke. They have these so they don't have to keep a large assortment of different length spokes in stock - they can simply cut and thread one to the correct size. So, to make an Easton twin threaded spoke, they need only cut off and thread the head of the spoke. That said, we keep a large inventory on hand, and they are always available on a moment's notice. And since they use conventional spoke blanks (albeit quality double butted stainless), they are not expensive - under a buck each for black replacements!

Our goal is that you are not dependent upon us for replacement, and you don't have to send off to some far away place and wait while the season passes by. Also, there's nothing exotic about our spokes, so replacements don't cost much more than any other quality stainless steel spoke. return to top


http://www.eastonbike.com/TECHNICAL/technical_FAQ-wheels.html#11
11. What is the warranty on Easton Wheels and what does it cover?
The warranty covers defects in materials and defects in workmanship for a period of two years. Crash damage and normal wear are not covered under the warranty.
 
I currently ride XC Ones and deal with Easton through the bike shop I work at as a mechanic. I do all the phone calls/follow through etc, regarding warranty/customer pay.

I've never had an issue getting things accomplished with Easton. Always received a call back the same day if I had to leave a message.

I do agree that proprietary parts can cause issues down the line in the event of breakage.

But I will say that one persons horrible experience will not give me a distaste for a product and I'll continue to purchase/use Easton products.

Here is a saying I go by

You can please all the people some of the time, some of the people all the time, but never all the people all the time.

Personally I would have gone to another LBS and see if they could have replaced the spokes. All they need is a spoke threader and blank spokes.

EDIT: I see norcom posted the same thing

Things do happen, and it is a shame that you went through all of this. Good luck with everything.
 
i dont think you can blame easton for you your lbs failing to replace a 1 dollar spoke.. plus why get a full factory rebuild for a broken spoke? also in six months id hope the lbs would be able to figure out how to replace such thing. id point a big finger at your lbs, all though it sounds like they sort of tried, they really bombed your repair.

bottom line, if it were another shop you would have rode out with a 25 dollar bill the next day, and a good wheel! it sucks you got hose, but its not too fair to blame easton completely.
 
Definitely, why couldn't the lbs replace the spoke themselves, or replace the bearings, you shouldn't have to sent the wheels back for that, that is a maintenance issue not warranty. Did you try any other bike shops?
 
Sure it matters if it is an anomoly. I have never meet an organization that performs 100% all of the time. Organizations are humans not nameless conglomerates. It is human nature to error.

If there is one horrible experience per 10,000 customers, I would say that is not too bad and probably represents a good company. If it is the status quo, I would stay away. If you know of a company that has never had one poor customer service occurance, I would love to know about them.

Trust me, I am not defending easton at all. I was just saying I hope it is an anomoly for their sake.
 
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Follow up for those who are asking. As I mentioned in the original post, the lbs tried to repair the spoke, but they couldn't get it out of the hub--it was in danger of stripping. (This is a highly reputable shop in Marin that focuses primarily on mountain biking.) Rather than strip it, they sent it back to the factory where Easton did the inspection and determined the wheel needed to be rebuilt completely, which I accepted--although I wouldn't have gone that route at that point if I had been able to simply replace the spoke.

I did not accept having the bearings fail after only three months on a factory rebuild. The lbs put replacement bearings from Easton in the hub, but there was still a lot of play so the wheel had to go back again. But at that point--the start of the racing season--Easton had a long backlog on repairs and became hard to connect with just to get an R/A.

The lbs is a dealer of Easton parts, but not wheels, so maybe they don't get preferential treatment. However, my lbs had no problem with the earlier R/A, and they were providing me support with a set of Crank Bros demos while trying to go to bat for me with Easton. Why would I take my business somewhere else? Does the fact my lbs is not a dealer of Easton Wheels mean Easton should just ignore their customers?

I don't expect to be pleased all of the time, but I don't like the way this process has played out with Easton. That wasn't a factor I thought about when I bought the wheels, it's something I will definitely consider in the future. Most of all, what pisses me off about this experience is that, now that I finally have someone at Easton who is on the case, you'd get the feeling talking to them that I had inconvenienced ~them~ somehow. I waited patiently for this to be resolved (my patience buttressed by a pair of Iodines) and resisted the temptation to post a rant until my latest call with Easton. At that point, like I said, I considered this a public service announcement. I like my wheels, but I don't like the service. Maybe you won't have this experience with Easton. But I did. And it sucks.
 
smithrider said:
Sure it matters if it is an anomoly. I have never meet an organization that performs 100% all of the time. Organizations are humans not nameless conglomerates. It is human nature to error.

If there is one horrible experience per 10,000 customers, I would say that is not too bad and probably represents a good company. If it is the status quo, I would stay away. If you know of a company that has never had one poor customer service occurance, I would love to know about them.

Trust me, I am not defending easton at all. I was just saying I hope it is an anomoly for their sake.
I agree, that an anomaly is forgivable, but the degree of forgiveness they are entitled to, depends entirely on whether or not you are that 1 horrible experience, or one of the 10,000 others. At the very least, there was sufficient time to determine if the PO had a genuine grievance, or not,, and it seems that they have not even attempted to go that far. Was that one person, or a conglomerate. It is hard to say, but based on the PO's post, it seems that there were plenty of opportunities by plenty of people, to at least get that process started.
 
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