What does "made for" mean...and why not for another company?
What's the difference from the 409...and why not just put a 409 on?
What's the difference from the 409...and why not just put a 409 on?
RockShox Pike 351 made for Specialized...
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That is pretty funny.ducktape said:Lol, this is a bit of a pot shot at the big S, but maybe they do it to make their rear suspension seem better
However, the Pitch Pro comes with a Fox RP2 rear shock.
Sprintit, the motion controls are easy to swap out and can come from different forks (like reba to revelation to pike). You might find a used one from someone who "upgraded" to a poploc system and has their old damper...might be a longshot. I swapped the mtion control unit on my wifes Pitch with one from an old reba I had.
Well, went out and bought a Pitch Pro FSR on Saturday, reviews are all very good (even 5/5 stars by bike radar). Did some testing first and have to say it really did seem to climb pretty efficiently, didn't feel any bouncing around on the rear. The motion control, usually adjustable via a hex key on the front right fork (looking from behind) is however covered with a cap held in place by a circlip, which does not look the pics in the manual. I am assuming at this point that the motion control is set by Spec so they can deem what is optimal for the bike. I would assume you can remove this and set as required, however even from the manual, the standard pikes look like this is set to your riding refs and forgotten about. Rebound and compression are set separately. Now, I also spoke to TF Tuned. The standard factory spring in the Pike is for average weight riders. My riding weight is about 88KG (prob 90KG with a full water pack) and they said it could do with a firmer spring. They will also Push tune these forks and the chap I spoke to rated them over and above Air Sprung forks, though it will be down to personal preference. i will try the bike out as is for now as the TF work includes a service, however a soft spring may answer peoples queries re diving under braking, also mentioned int he manual. Will be upgrading the brakes (no idea what to, something with good DH abilitly, the Magura Louise seem to haqve the levers too far from the bars so you can reach them with finger tips only), the new Hope Tech X2's are compact, ie 2.5 fingers max on the levers with gloves, heard horror stories on the Juicy 7's (mtbs reviews). so, considering Formula K24's or 'the one' but stock levels are non existent. will also change the shifters to SRAM X9's. Sorry to go off track, but at the reduced price of £1179 from £1399 (which was already less than in 2008 ) this really is a good value full sus bike ! Loads to upgrade and mature your riding with, and in some mags rated as good as the 2.5k enduro.
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Congrats on the new bike! I am not a RockShox expert, but on my pike which should be the same as yours, just turn the blue cap to adjust the motion control (is that just a fancy word for compression). I think that's the difference between the specialized fork and the 454, on the 454, the hex key adjust the floodgate (I think).sprintit said:
Sprintit,
I think you will love the bike. I think the only thing the forks are missing is the floodgate. Floodgate is the ability to "blow off" the compression damping. By adjusting it you set how hard an impact will release the compression damping. If I understand correctly, your fork will stay with whatever compression damping you set. I don't think you are missing that much, but if you start to feel that way you can always upgrade.
Enjoy the new bike!
I think you will love the bike. I think the only thing the forks are missing is the floodgate. Floodgate is the ability to "blow off" the compression damping. By adjusting it you set how hard an impact will release the compression damping. If I understand correctly, your fork will stay with whatever compression damping you set. I don't think you are missing that much, but if you start to feel that way you can always upgrade.
Enjoy the new bike!
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The girlfriend bought a Pitch Pro 2008 two days ago.
The deal was absolutely nuts. It´s a brand new bike, fresh from Specialized, they have still 2008 stock on some models and sell them for massively reduced prices. (in Europe)
Her Pitch Pro is a fantastic bike and the whole bike costs LESS than my Heckler frame. That really is insane. (good for her though)
The Pike 327 (of the Pitch Comp) is a Pike fork, without the MoCo unit, it´s simply empty with a Placebo top cap and only a rebound circuit. It therefore feels like a fork missing a compression unit. U can simply drop in a MoCo in there though.
The Pike 351 of the Pitch is a Pike with an alloy steerer (!) and the MoCo unit of a Recon fork. Those are MoCo units with a fixed amount of floodgate.
Then there are 3 versions of the "real" MoCo.
1. 409 - internal floodgate (you need to stick an allen key in there, or your rebound knob)
2. 427 - external floodgate (little golden knob)
3. 427/454 remote (with poplock remote)
The 351 is a fine fork. Floodgate is rather unnecessary, fiddle with it once, leave it there.
The Tora is a fine fork btw. it´s ass heavy (weighs as 100mm coil version 50g more thans my 160mm Fox 36 Talas)
BUT it is reliable, stiff, feels good and of all forks I ever tried it has the best small bump sensitivity. The steel stanchions are so slippery, really incredible.
TNC: If you like the RockShox forks a lot, you should try a Domain 318 on your Nomad. It also has the steel stanchions and a beefed up MoCo with a high-speed shimstack.
Feels BUTTER.
Greetings Znarf
The deal was absolutely nuts. It´s a brand new bike, fresh from Specialized, they have still 2008 stock on some models and sell them for massively reduced prices. (in Europe)
Her Pitch Pro is a fantastic bike and the whole bike costs LESS than my Heckler frame. That really is insane. (good for her though)
The Pike 327 (of the Pitch Comp) is a Pike fork, without the MoCo unit, it´s simply empty with a Placebo top cap and only a rebound circuit. It therefore feels like a fork missing a compression unit. U can simply drop in a MoCo in there though.
The Pike 351 of the Pitch is a Pike with an alloy steerer (!) and the MoCo unit of a Recon fork. Those are MoCo units with a fixed amount of floodgate.
Then there are 3 versions of the "real" MoCo.
1. 409 - internal floodgate (you need to stick an allen key in there, or your rebound knob)
2. 427 - external floodgate (little golden knob)
3. 427/454 remote (with poplock remote)
The 351 is a fine fork. Floodgate is rather unnecessary, fiddle with it once, leave it there.
The Tora is a fine fork btw. it´s ass heavy (weighs as 100mm coil version 50g more thans my 160mm Fox 36 Talas)
BUT it is reliable, stiff, feels good and of all forks I ever tried it has the best small bump sensitivity. The steel stanchions are so slippery, really incredible.
TNC: If you like the RockShox forks a lot, you should try a Domain 318 on your Nomad. It also has the steel stanchions and a beefed up MoCo with a high-speed shimstack.
Feels BUTTER.
Greetings Znarf
Thanks for all the feedback ! Have decided to upgrade the brakes most likely to the new Formula Mega's and the shifters to X9. As formula sold avid the technology used in the juicy's but the adjustment mechanism in the formla's looks way better than any other design. So, I need to go over the manual for the pike and work out how you take the MoCo unit out to adjust (if I need to). I will send them to TF Tuned for push tuning and a firmer spring so I may get them to do it anyway. Maybe they can also fit the external floodgate control if needbe. Thinkt he blue knob looks a bit tacky - don't know why where there is a nice shiny red alli knob on the underside for the rebound !
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+1 on that, the Domain 318 is the first decent coil fork I've had and it's great, plush even with a regular spring in it that was on the firm side for my weight. Everyone raves on or automatically goes for the Totem, the Domain is a bit like the Tora, under rated.Znarf said:
You're not confusing rebound and compression are you? Yes underneath is for the rebound which controls the rate at which the fork rebounds - fast or slow. The compression controls how firm the fork feels.
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Znarf...yeah, some of those closeouts on the Pitch in the U.S. too are/were absolutely cheap. I was really tempted to go with one, but it seems I always end up making all my bikes the same 6 to 6.5 inch, 32-34 pound aggressive trail build...my Nomad and 2 Bullits. I finally decided to get something a little lighter in a leftover '08 SJ FSR and wasn't sorry. If I understand correctly, you also work part time at an LBS that carries Spec. My SJ came off the "Blem List". Hmmm...blem bike in a box that was never opened? Man...I was both lucky and absolutely stoked.
On the Domain fork, it is a great fork but a little heavier than I want. My two favorite forks I've had on my Nomad are an '06 66SL and an '08 Nixon 160 air/coil hybrid TPC+. The quality dampers from Marz, RS, and Manitou TPC are all great in my book.
On the Domain fork, it is a great fork but a little heavier than I want. My two favorite forks I've had on my Nomad are an '06 66SL and an '08 Nixon 160 air/coil hybrid TPC+. The quality dampers from Marz, RS, and Manitou TPC are all great in my book.
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Yeah, I work parttime at an LBS, altough in Europe =)
I don´t know what BLEM means =) (I am not a native english speaker)
But I think your decision was a good one. I also tend to like 6-7" bikes best. Or rather always build such beasts.
A really different (light OR really FR/DH) is fun, at least if you´ve got a "the one to do it all bike" in your stable.
Over here in Europe, this is the first time in 15 years, that Specialized has leftovers for a reduced price.
Actually, some deals are almost so good, they might hurt sales of the according 2009 models. But I don´t think the wide public knows...
Greetings Znarf
I don´t know what BLEM means =) (I am not a native english speaker)
But I think your decision was a good one. I also tend to like 6-7" bikes best. Or rather always build such beasts.
A really different (light OR really FR/DH) is fun, at least if you´ve got a "the one to do it all bike" in your stable.
Over here in Europe, this is the first time in 15 years, that Specialized has leftovers for a reduced price.
Actually, some deals are almost so good, they might hurt sales of the according 2009 models. But I don´t think the wide public knows...
Greetings Znarf
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Since this thread just came back I thought I would chime in.hncreature said:
Motion Control without an adjustable floodgate is not in the same league as one with an adjustable floodgate. The adjustable floodgate is key in adjusting how the fork behaves even when the fork is NOT locked out. The forks I have checked out with a preset floodgate are set too stiff for my liking and it affects the response on high speed hits (again, even in the UNlocked position).
Hello. Im considering a Pitch Pro but Im not sure about the Pike 351 Fork. My main concerne is that Im ultralightweight 125 (58 kg) and considering its a coil shock its not going to be easy to set it up correctly for my weight. I have read many threats about the fork been too soft and the nose diving down when braking that is exactly the opposite of my case but I think all of those cases are of riders over 200. are there any lightweight Pitch riders with experience with this coil fork or any body have setup the fork for lightweights. thanks.
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I think this question could be answered by a lighter person riding a Pike of any type. The springs are all the same. You would likely need to get the lightest spring, though.bernardo said:
Do a search, I am sure there have been many posts regarding this, as the Pike has been a popular fork for a number of years.
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hi
anyone knows the weight of 351 solo air on pitch pro 2010?
anyone knows the weight of 351 solo air on pitch pro 2010?
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