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#121 ·
mtbikernc69 said:
You know....I was born and raised as Lutheran. I don't subscribe to that theology anymore and after visiting the web-site...the intent seems to be to recruit people to the "christian" doctrine. While I believe people can believe what they want to, I have one burning question....What makes you think that Christianity got it right? Don't get me wrong, Jesus has some great ideas and was great "Man", but can you honestly tell me that Christianity is so much better that you have to try and "recruit" the rest of us "heathens"?! Sounds like Jim Jones to me. Anyone for some Kool Aid. :rolleyes:
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Easy, it's right, because it is not wrong...( at least that's what they told me in sunday school) :winker:
 
#122 ·
I went to Catholic school half of my childhood.

I also have had people come up to me out of nowhere at work, at school, and on the trails and start talking god and their religion. How ridiculous to not let people find god their own way, and not as a brand name. Provided they want to find god, that is. If they do, why does god need people to spread his word, or is that the mystery of the lord?
 

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#123 ·
mtbikernc69 said:
You know....I was born and raised as Lutheran. I don't subscribe to that theology anymore and after visiting the web-site...the intent seems to be to recruit people to the "christian" doctrine. While I believe people can believe what they want to, I have one burning question....What makes you think that Christianity got it right? Don't get me wrong, Jesus has some great ideas and was great "Man", but can you honestly tell me that Christianity is so much better that you have to try and "recruit" the rest of us "heathens"?! Sounds like Jim Jones to me. Anyone for some Kool Aid. :rolleyes:
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That is the question isn't it? Theres a tremendous amount of recent and past archeological, historical and anthropological evidence that supports the validity and truth of the Bible. These evidences open the door to beleive the other claims of the Bible. Ultimately, it comes down to faith. If you want to see if God is who He says He is, then call upon Him and see what happens.
 
#125 ·
alefak said:
That is the question isn't it? Theres a tremendous amount of recent and past archeological, historical and anthropological evidence that supports the validity and truth of the Bible. These evidences open the door to beleive the other claims of the Bible. Ultimately, it comes down to faith. If you want to see if God is who He says He is, then call upon Him and see what happens.
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What archeology proves is the existence of some of the places mentioned in the bible.

If you go by the bible, we're ten thousand years old, a concept that doesn't align with how we're finding out the world has evolved, from erosion, to slow evolution.
 
#126 ·
Maida7 said:
There is? Where? I was under the impression that real scientists still believe in the big bang and evolution.
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Evolutionists are trying to prove their theory so, yes, they in essence still believe in those theories. But you can check into the evidences and scholarship of the creation scientists (who are also "real" scientists) who are going down the opposite path.

It wont get solved on here, you just have to decide for yourself.
 
#127 ·
The creationists are going off "the mystery of god" and blinding themselves with suspension of disbelief to explain things biased towards the god theory.

It happens in every age, every culture, when they use the tools of divinity to try to explain what was unexplainable, until we got to a point where we actually had tools to explain the formerly unexplainable, without using a cartoon character in the sky that punishes us, knows when we're bad or good, when we're touching ourselves when no one else nows, sneaking in some nookie, etc. All it turned into was people being controlled and wouldn't a god that is secure in his position of omnipotence be secure in his/her/it ability as the creator, that just one in some 6billion people denies belief? Especially since the denial of belief is due to such things as Humans in religion making it so.
 
#128 ·
alefak said:
Evolutionists are trying to prove their theory so, yes, they in essence still believe in those theories. But you can check into the evidences and scholarship of the creation scientists (who are also "real" scientists) who are going down the opposite path.

It wont get solved on here, you just have to decide for yourself.
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"Creation science" is not real science, nor are its proponents 'real scientists'. Science is culturally, socially, and religiously neutral. Just as we don't have black science, Jewish science, or American science, there can be no such thing as creation science. Introducing a bias in the very name discredits anything that follows.

Side note...why do creationists always say 'evidences'? Seems to be almost a guarantee that whenever someone adds that extra s, they don't know what they are talking about.
 
#129 ·
alefak said:
Evolutionists are trying to prove their theory so, yes, they in essence still believe in those theories. But you can check into the evidences and scholarship of the creation scientists (who are also "real" scientists) who are going down the opposite path.

It wont get solved on here, you just have to decide for yourself.
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Creation scientists, please. Bunch of idiots with an agenda.

I've never understand why scientific discovery and Christian believe have to reflect opposing ideas. What if the science is correct and a god did kick the whole thing off with a big bang. Now that's a fecking miracle.
 
#130 ·
marzjennings said:
I've never understand why scientific discovery and Christian believe have to reflect opposing ideas.
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Nearly everything in the bible is contradictory to some academic discipline...biology, physics, astronomy, mathematics, chemistry. Therefore most Christian beliefs are inherently contradictory to science.
 
#131 ·
BEETROOT said:
marzjennings said:
I've never understand why scientific discovery and Christian believe have to reflect opposing ideas. QUOTE]

Nearly everything in the bible is contradictory to some academic discipline...biology, physics, astronomy, mathematics, chemistry. Therefore most Christian beliefs are inherently contradictory to science.
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Mathematics!! Is that the whole 3 in 1 thing? The whole is the 1 which is really 3?

Chemistry. You talking water into wine, yea that's quite a trick. I'm all good with the other way around.
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Discussion starter · #132 ·
I see that many have looked into the possibility of God and reached their own conclusions. I respect that. I was a die hard atheist myself for many years. As well as a diehard alcoholic. Drug user, ect. I reached the conclusion that at no point did my belief in science improve my life or relieve my pain. My belief in science was also based on faith because even after college biology courses,botany, wildlife management, and forest management. it was still theory because to be fact it has to be able to be duplicated and no one has been able to make life out of nothing. My belief in science was based on what teachers, parents and others have told me. My belief in Christ comes from forming a relationship with him and and seeing what a difference it had on my life. I was a single parent when my son at 4 years old told me "you weren't a nice man but your a good daddy now" Now by no means is this scientific fact but it has been duplicated in many lives. That was 16 years ago. Proof in websters is "The act of testing the truth or validity of something by experiment or trial" in 16 years I have proof! I don't condem anyone for not believing because I did not believe.By no means am I perfect I don't claim to be " All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God' if that wasn't so I wouldn't need Christ.
God Speed,
 
#133 · (Edited)
rider4jesus said:
I see that many have looked into the possibility of God and reached their own conclusions. I respect that. I was a die hard atheist myself for many years. As well as a diehard alcoholic. Drug user, ect. I reached the conclusion that at no point did my belief in science improve my life or relieve my pain. My belief in science was also based on faith because even after college biology courses,botany, wildlife management, and forest management. it was still theory because to be fact it has to be able to be duplicated and no one has been able to make life out of nothing. My belief in science was based on what teachers, parents and others have told me. My belief in Christ comes from forming a relationship with him and and seeing what a difference it had on my life. I was a single parent when my son at 4 years old told me "you weren't a nice man but your a good daddy now" Now by no means is this scientific fact but it has been duplicated in many lives. That was 16 years ago. Proof in websters is "The act of testing the truth or validity of something by experiment or trial" in 16 years I have proof! I don't condem anyone for not believing because I did not believe.By no means am I perfect I don't claim to be " All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God' if that wasn't so I wouldn't need Christ.
God Speed,
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Trace Ridge is probably the fastest DH in Pisgah, but I prefer the technical challenge of dropping off the Spencer Branch side of the mountain.

(and if the devil is 6, then god is 7. This thread has gone to heaven)

-mike (needs to quit posting drunk)
 
#134 ·
rider4jesus said:
I see that many have looked into the possibility of God and reached their own conclusions. I respect that. I was a die hard atheist myself for many years. As well as a diehard alcoholic. Drug user, ect. I reached the conclusion that at no point did my belief in science improve my life or relieve my pain. My belief in science was also based on faith because even after college biology courses,botany, wildlife management, and forest management. it was still theory because to be fact it has to be able to be duplicated and no one has been able to make life out of nothing. My belief in science was based on what teachers, parents and others have told me. My belief in Christ comes from forming a relationship with him and and seeing what a difference it had on my life. I was a single parent when my son at 4 years old told me "you weren't a nice man but your a good daddy now" Now by no means is this scientific fact but it has been duplicated in many lives. That was 16 years ago. Proof in websters is "The act of testing the truth or validity of something by experiment or trial" in 16 years I have proof! I don't condem anyone for not believing because I did not believe.By no means am I perfect I don't claim to be " All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God' if that wasn't so I wouldn't need Christ.
God Speed,
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I have extensive experience with college level biology courses and beyond. If you were only taught theory, then you either went to a bad college and HS, or you yourself were a bad student and your mind wasn't open to science to begin with.

I had no such turmoil in my life that forced me to answer life's questions with a book that explains everything as "the mystery of God".

I can tell you, part of biology courses is giving practical experience in labs, as a combination of reproducible results in a theoretical fashion, and also an actual hands on fashion. Basically, I'm saying you don't know what you're talking about and bailed on the courses before you got the practical stuff where you were in a hands on manner working with actual "stuff", and then on top of that, your expectations of science relieving your pain is absolutely ridiculous. That training is there to make you not only understand the world, but employable.

Did you not think you needed a psychiatrist/psychologist to relieve your pain instead of "science"?

Now exactly what is your relationship with Christ? Does he listen? Does he answer back?

Whatever floats your boat, but I can tell you there are plenty of good people out there, and plenty of people that have changed without religion, without christ, without god.

In the end, it is us who are our own gods, exercising such things as self-control and the innate drive to discover and do something with ourselves.

Since you cite websters, also ask to be a better person with your spelling and grammar.
 
#135 ·
Man I don't have time to read this whole thread, but I'm sure it is intriguing.

Personally, I have enjoyed studying the parallels between the principles of Christianity of those of Buddhism, and in general learning about other religions. When you get down to the basic principles, a lot of them seem to have common themes and principles that most of us could live by--it sure seems ironic to me that most religions promote things like "love thy brother" but end up being the source of so much hatred and fighting.

I tell you what would be really nice. If everyone in the world could just forget about organized religion for a day or two, not worry about whether God is called God, or Allah, or whether there is instead an internal Budha in all of us, and just adhere to the principles of their religion, I wonder how many long running wars and conflicts would come to an end? There is a pretty strong argument that the world would be a much better place, very quickly.

P.S. Recommend reading is Living Christ, Living Budha by Thich Nat Than (spelling), who is both a Buddhist Monk and a Christian Monk.
 
#136 ·
I have a question that maybe those with more enlightenment can answer for me:

Are all those children raised in countries where they learn Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and other religions doomed to go to hell because they are not believers in the Christian God? Even if they a good people and care for others (i.e. love thy brother)?

This is a real source of frustration for me in understanding the teachings at many Christian churches. I have a hard time believing God would arbitrarily discriminate in such a manner, which is why you won't find me in the pews at church on Sunday. I have kind of just accepted by own view of things, acknowledging that I can't really understand all the answers, and try to live by those main principles which the major religions have in common. I hope I'm not going to hell for it, that would sure seem unfair.

While on the subject, I also vote to spend less money on all these great, big churches and instead divert that money to care for our homeless.
 
#137 ·
I asked that when I was in Catholic school and I was told after much evasion and persistence that yes, if they don't accept Christ, their souls are doomed. Even better: even unbaptized children who die before the ritual go to hell.

As far as paying for churches, I found out that I have a hefty Church Tax in the country in which I live. To get out of it is a PITA, and then once I'm out of it, I face institutional discrimination simply because I don't pay a church tax and I'm not even remotely Christian.
 
#138 ·
rider4jesus said:
I see that many have looked into the possibility of God and reached their own conclusions. I respect that. I was a die hard atheist myself for many years. As well as a diehard alcoholic. Drug user, ect. I reached the conclusion that at no point did my belief in science improve my life or relieve my pain. My belief in science was also based on faith because even after college biology courses,botany, wildlife management, and forest management. it was still theory because to be fact it has to be able to be duplicated and no one has been able to make life out of nothing. My belief in science was based on what teachers, parents and others have told me. My belief in Christ comes from forming a relationship with him and and seeing what a difference it had on my life. I was a single parent when my son at 4 years old told me "you weren't a nice man but your a good daddy now" Now by no means is this scientific fact but it has been duplicated in many lives. That was 16 years ago. Proof in websters is "The act of testing the truth or validity of something by experiment or trial" in 16 years I have proof! I don't condem anyone for not believing because I did not believe.By no means am I perfect I don't claim to be " All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God' if that wasn't so I wouldn't need Christ.
God Speed,
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I can respect that. I'm not saying it is anything like what I believe but if it works for you and it doesn't hurt anybody then, right on:thumbsup:
 
#139 ·
Indeed. My mother, a Southern Baptist sunday school teacher and a science teacher, taught me there is absolutely no reason for belief in God and understanding of evolution to be exclusive of one another. In my view, God lit the metaphorical match on the Big Bang and evolution followed and here we are. Why is that so hard?
 
#140 ·
litespeedchick said:
Indeed. My mother, a Southern Baptist sunday school teacher and a science teacher, taught me there is absolutely no reason for belief in God and understanding of evolution to be exclusive of one another. In my view, God lit the metaphorical match on the Big Bang and evolution followed and here we are. Why is that so hard?
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That's cool but it ain't how it's written in the bible. So saying that scientific research proves the stories written in the bible is just wrong. Sure you can believe god and evolution. I bet Darwin believed in god. But you can't say there are scientific evidences of creation, Adam & Eve, the garden of eden, etc...
 
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