NS Bikes... Bytch or Suburban???

sodak · Oct 6, 2008

UPDATED!! New Bytch~ NS Bikes... Bytch or Suburban???

I have a question for the DJ/Street experts here on the forum. I am in the market for a new hardtail frame. I am going to be using it for mainly urban/street, and the ocasional DJ's. The problem I have is money. I am not sure if I can afford a new frame and fork. I have a 2005 Pike dual air (140mm), that is an amazing fork. I love it. So, with that said, which one of these two NS frames would match up with the Pike at 140mm best? I am torn between the two. I know the bytch has been revised for 2008, as their website says. Can anyone help me out with some advice? I think I am sold on one of these two frames, but not sure which will be the best choice.... Bytch or Suburban??? I have never seen one of these up close either. Thanks again guys! :thumbsup:
-Sodak

boyfromthelak · Oct 6, 2008

go with the suburban the ***** is more of a downhill/freeride hardtail with longer stays. just run the pike at its lowest setting

sodak · Oct 6, 2008

boyfromthelak said:
go with the suburban the ***** is more of a downhill/freeride hardtail with longer stays. just run the pike at its lowest setting

The pike is a 2005 Dual Air with an unadjustable 140mm. Which is why I was thinking of the Bytch. But,.. from the NS website, they have changed the geo of the bytch for 08' away from the DH/FR scene and more to jumping. Either way I think 140mm is a bit much for the type of bike I am looking for. Just don't have the extra cash to get an argyle or similar. Maybe I could try to trade my Pike for something, or at least sell it and get a start on a new fork. Thanks for the info.

sodak · Oct 6, 2008

O.K. Here is the basic build I am working with. I am parting out a fully to get the cash to build me a hardtail. As you can see, the one I have now just is not up to snuff with the typical urban/street riding. I am going to try to use as many of the parts of this bike as I can. But most importantly, the fork. My plan is to run 3 piece cranks instead of the hones too. Other than that, there is not much I need right now besides a frame.

CharacterZero · Oct 6, 2008

Get an internal spacer kit and reduce travel on teh PIKE down to 100mm.
You might be able to pull off an argyle/pike trade at pinkbike, they both sell used for about the same $$$.

sodak · Oct 6, 2008

I have pondered lowering the pike. For a while I thought PUSH could lower it and do there thing to it, but they don't lower forks. So I have been told. I am 100% NOT confident tearing into forks. I would be very intimidated trying to do it myself.

I was scoping out BTI tonight, and they have both frames in stock. I am kinda stoked. I just have to decide which one. For some reason I really like the "Bytch". Thanks again for the info.

climbingbubba · Oct 11, 2008

hey man

get the suburban for sure, way better frame for street park and dj. the b!tch is more for freeriding.
with that said, i could give you instructions on how to lower your dual air fork, its not that hard. i lowered my revelation dual air which is the same thing. you can custom cut spacers to fit it too using pvc pipe. it takes 20 to 30 min to do

anyway, go for it. i had a suburban and now a capital and NS makes some amazing bikes.

XSL_WiLL · Oct 11, 2008

The Dual Air is very very easy to lower.

snaky69 · Oct 12, 2008

I wouldn't spend money on the cranks unless you want to go lighter, hones are a pretty good crank as it is.

sodak · Oct 13, 2008

Hey thanks for the info guys. I went against the curve here and ordered the Bytch. I firgured that the hardtail for me is going to have to be somewhat versitle. They changed the Bytch frame for 08' and it looks real nice. I really wanted the Suburban, but the price and versitility of the Bytch got me. It should be here by Wednesday. I could not build up a brand new frame with all old parts, so I made a nice Diety order the other day. Got some bars, stem, seatpost on the way. I figure I will run the Hones for now. No need to drop extra money on those. I am going to turn the Hones into a 32t singlespeed setup using a Dangerboy DH chainring and no bash guard. It should look alright. Thanks agian guys. I will post pics when it is all here and together.

Climbing Bubba- I will have to PM you when the time comes for lowering the Pike. Frmo what I have gathered, it sounds pretty easy.

sodak · Oct 20, 2008

I chose the Bytch,... and here she is.

Well, Despite the advice I get here, I went ahead and got the Bytch. I was able to swap some parts from an old fully and some from the old hardtail. I had to get a few parts new, but here she is. I can't believe how nice this bike rides. I was able to quasi-lower the Pike by tweeking the negative air pressure in the fork. Enjoy the pics.... :thumbsup:

the_godfather · Oct 20, 2008

im still not sure why you got the b*tch over the suburban if you lowered the fork and are going to use it mainly for urban/street with the occasional jumps. that is really what the subURBAN is for (hint: it even has urban in the name

). not sure what they actually changed in the 07 to 08 version of the b*tch. both seem to have the same HA and chainstay length but cant remember the wheelbase and other geo stats off the top of my head.
congrats on the b*tch though. i love my 07 b*tch which im running with an argyle. really wanted the pike 426 but beggers cant be choosers and the argyle that i got was dirt cheap. i think it performs really well as an all rounder which is what i use mine for. communting, dirt, skatepark, downhill and freeride/bikepark stunts are all acceptable. really would like to throw an adjustable pike on there to make it even better though

sodak · Oct 20, 2008

the_godfather said:
im still not sure why you got the b*tch over the suburban if you lowered the fork and are going to use it mainly for urban/street with the occasional jumps. that is really what the subURBAN is for (hint: it even has urban in the name). not sure what they actually changed in the 07 to 08 version of the b*tch. both seem to have the same HA and chainstay length but cant remember the wheelbase and other geo stats off the top of my head.
congrats on the b*tch though. i love my 07 b*tch which im running with an argyle. really wanted the pike 426 but beggers cant be choosers and the argyle that i got was dirt cheap. i think it performs really well as an all rounder which is what i use mine for. communting, dirt, skatepark, downhill and freeride/bikepark stunts are all acceptable. really would like to throw an adjustable pike on there to make it even better though

I understand what you mean about the Surburban. However, I am a 90% downhill and freeride guy with big smoosh bikes. lol.. I love to rip around urban style and DJ with a hardtail, but I am far from good. The choice for the bytch was more or less to use it as an "all-arounder" hardtail. I really like how it feels, it is a huge upgrade to the Bianchhi..... HUGE!!!!!!!! difference.

The Pike is wierd. I was told by a friend to tinker with the positive and negative air pressures on it. Well, I did, and I figured out how to actually lower the fork to pretty much any height while keeping the recommended air pressure in each leg. :skep: I completed this process about 3 times to ensure that I could really adjust this. It all doesn't make sense to me, but I can get the fork right back to 140mm by reversing the process. The floodgate and compression work while it is lowered the same as if it was in full travel mode.

Another thing about the Bytch frame is that it is larger then the Surburban. Of course the frames are "one-size fits all". I have some stupid long arms and the bike fits just right. Thanks for the compliments....

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