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BOULDER - Boulder County commissioners got a preview Tuesday of one rural Lyons' neighborhood's resistance to putting a Heil Valley Ranch trailhead in their midst.

Nancy Kozar, 382 Quartz Way, presented a petition signed by 265 people asking the county commissioners to remove a Red Gulch Road-area site from further consideration for a trailhead with parking spaces for 30 vehicles and three horse trailers.

The petition expressed the signers' concerns that a trailhead at that location would threaten their safety, increase traffic, create fire dangers and jeopardize the rural character of the neighborhood.

Kozar said signers included residents of Red Gulch and Old South St. Vrain roads who would be directly affected by putting the trailhead on the county's Olson open-space property on the east or west side of Red Gulch about 12,000 feet south of Old South St. Vrain.

Others who signed the petition, such as the Kozars, live in nearby Lyons Park Estates, she said - people who "are basically isolationists," and live there "because they want to escape an urban environment."

Kozar said several Lyons residents also signed because they use Red Gulch and Old South St. Vrain roads "to run, walk, bicycle and bird watch. They don't want to see additional traffic on these roads for safety reasons."

The Board of County Commissioners wasn't scheduled to take action on the controversial Heil Valley Ranch trailhead location Tuesday, and commissioners made no formal response to the petition. A public hearing on the trailhead issue tentatively has been set for Sept. 24.

In July, the Boulder County parks and Open Space Advisory Committee recommended that county commissioners consider either the Red Gulch Road location or a site near Lyons Middle/Senior High School for the trailhead.

But the school-area choice, which would require relocation of a softball field, also has sparked opposition from some residents of that neighborhood.

John Fryar can be reached at 303-684-5211 or jfryar@times-call.com.

http://www.timescall.com/news_story.asp?ID=11113
 
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"Kozar said several Lyons residents also signed because they use Red Gulch and Old South St. Vrain roads “to run, walk, bicycle and bird watch. They don’t want to see additional traffic on these roads for safety reasons.”

- I love this part. If you're concered about traffic why not "run, walk, bicycle and bird watch" on the new trail system that Boulder County has provided you with and stay off the road?
 
Maybe the county could sell the property to a developer. The land could certainly be better used as a subdivision or industrial park or maybe a cattle feed yard.
 
funny thing is that is what was going to happen to the land if the town and county didn't buy it. More homes or a friggin trailhead.
The school district isn't willing to vote on the trailhead on their property yet. If I understand right they feel they shouldn't be making a decision on this and will probably drag their feet on it. They are also concerned about school safety. It seems if we care for a trailhead this is going to be plenty of red tape to go through.
The county should end the nonsense and put the trailhead on the open space land.
I don't think most care if a trailhead even gets built cause they will park at various sites throughout town to get to it since the trail is opening 9/22. Trail is perfect for my monocog. And it's great to have more winter riding options. :)
 
Agreed, lets increase traffic at a school and put our kids in danger rather than disturb the birdwatchers. Plus I have never heard of a trailhead at a high school. Not to worry mates, Boulder County will come down with a ***** slap and put it wherever the hell they want. Sorry Red Gulch birdwatchers, trailhead coming to an area very near you.

This stuff is tiring.
 
papawheelie said:
Why would you use it though? I've always parked in town and rode to the trailhead. I'd be surprised to know how many people actually use it.
I think a big user of said trailhead would be the horse poeple. So, maybe it wouldn't be a bad thing if their wasn't a trailhead there. Less horses on this fine section! Don't exclude them, but if it's inconvienent for them to use it, maybe they won't be there. We all know how to access the trail, from either end.
 
re: horses, here's how I see it. I don't think the overall number of horses going thru Lyons is going to change too much. There will be a wave of them on PR at first (just like us) then it'll get into a groove. At least it will pull some of them away from Hall.

On the other hand, I think PR will get a lot of local horse traffic. There's plenty of folk within safe equine distance of that trail. Guess we'll see. I saw a lot of equestrian folk lobbying and out on trail work days. They earned it.
 
September 24 It Goes to the Commissioners...

5pm Boulder County Courthouse

BMA will encourage cyclists that use Heil and Hall Ranches to show up and ask the County Commissioners to make a decision and not allow this to go on any longer.

There is no solution that will make everyone happy. Somebody is going to think they got screwed.

When the Picture Rock opens September 22, there will be no trailhead parking lot. We will be riding into a neighborhood that is not comfortable with change. We, as a community, need to make a tough choice, do it and get the neighborhood back into some sort of stabilized operating condition.

BMA isn't going to support any particular option. What we want is to get beyond this churn and acrimony and get on to other issues. We don't care where they put the trailhead, just that they do and do it as soon as possible.

We want to prove that the world isn't going to end because there is a trailhead in their neighborhood. We need to be good neighbors, even if they act like we are invaders from outer space.
 
mtbmike1 said:
5pm Boulder County Courthouse

BMA will encourage cyclists that use Heil and Hall Ranches to show up and ask the County Commissioners to make a decision and not allow this to go on any longer.

There is no solution that will make everyone happy. Somebody is going to think they got screwed.

When the Picture Rock opens September 22, there will be no trailhead parking lot. We will be riding into a neighborhood that is not comfortable with change. We, as a community, need to make a tough choice, do it and get the neighborhood back into some sort of stabilized operating condition.

BMA isn't going to support any particular option. What we want is to get beyond this churn and acrimony and get on to other issues. We don't care where they put the trailhead, just that they do and do it as soon as possible.

We want to prove that the world isn't going to end because there is a trailhead in their neighborhood. We need to be good neighbors, even if they act like we are invaders from outer space.
I'm glad BMA's stance is this. Nice Mike.

We need more trails and not trailheads....and as far as I am concerned, I don't need a trailhead.

It might even make the trail less crowded.
 

"Others who signed the petition, such as the Kozars, live in nearby Lyons Park Estates, she said - people who "are basically isolationists," and live there "because they want to escape an urban environment."


Such typical American thinking. The point of a public trail is to preserve open space while offering everyone the chance to experience "escape" without building 2 or 3 estate homes which only a few can afford. Someone with a longer view needs to intervene.
 
Furthermore if you are an isolationist why buy there in Lyons Park Estates. Its right next to a town that like anywhere else is gonna grow substanially cause its on the front range. Lyons has many attractive features that makes it an outdoor mecca really don't see how a trailhead makes it urban. When I hit a trailhead in Crested Butte I sure don't feel like I am in an urban environment cause there is a trailhead.
I lived a little outside Ward for 8 years cause I was an isolationist, now I have kids so I chose Lyons. These folks should have chosen more wisely, it wasn't entrirely unknown for the past ten years that the county wanted to put in connector right thru here with somewhere in Red Gulch as the prefferred connector route. Most of these folks bought since those plans were made public. The other folks are so close to being put in the retirement home why the hell do they care other than being crusty old curmudgeon.
These folks are claiming to be environmental stewards when in fact they just want to preserve what they consider their private open space.
 
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