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teamdicky

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Since you guys are active participants in the world of MTB info, and this is regarding my future 29'er build I am asking here.
I am getting a Badger built up sometime soon. The bike will be oriented more towards aggressive riding (steep), but comfy for endurance racing. I sometimes shoulder my bike in really steep hike-a-bikes and my current steed has a cable stop right where my shoulder goes. I like under the top tube routing, but I don't want to deal with this pain. When cables are routed on top it ends up scratching the paint.
I am considering internally routing the rear brake line. Rob said he could do it, it would just be a little more work. Does anybody see a downside to this option? I (very unprofesionally) did it to my old Nashbar frame years ago and it never caused any problems. I can foresee a problem if i want to ride fixie. I can't just unbolt the rear brake and ride. I would just have to leave it there and TRY to remember to not squeeze the lever.
SO???
 
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My wife has a Klein with internal cable routing - it can be a PITA to change the cables.
 
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May be tricky for hydro lines also.Some have bigger/ smaller ferrels on the ends.May have some internal rattles also with hydros. I like the idea. Another option for shouldering is the 7 o'clock position. but then again it would be poking you in the neck. :rolleyes:
 
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I have mine on the seven O'clock on my dean. That's where it digs in.
My Nasbar never rattled. We drilled the holes so it was a snug fit.
I was going to feed the line before attaching any fittings using the thread/vacuum trick.
 
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Thread/vacuum trick? I'd love to hear some details. Do you have to plug up all the other holes in the frame to get good suction?

To change cables in my wife's bike, I used electrical tape to attach the old cable to the new cable and pulled *very* slowly. Kinda tricky and I screwed one of them up (lost the cable).
 
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Run housing all the way.

I'd run housing all the way through and it won't be as much of a problem getting the cables threaded through the frame. A bunch of older road bikes had the rear brake cable (and housing) running internally in the frame.

As for the Kleins, they only run the cable through the frame and the entry/exit points are actually cable stops for the housing. You can get (from a Klein dealer) a couple of plastic cable sheaths that make changing cables on a Klein so much easier. You slide the cable sheath onto the cable while it's still in the frame, pull out the cable leaving the sheath, insert the new cable through the sheath, pull the sheath out. No more taping cables together and no more fishing a cable through the frame with a magnet.
 
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Check out Casati cycles, they have been using interal routing on there road bikes for years and hopefully have worked out most of the bugs. And theres always the custom shoulder strap route.
 
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TD's bike will be a dedicated single, and if I know him he will also be using Hayes hydro brakes which is a little different than running a regular cable like the Klein.

I guess a shot of great stuff inside the TT would stop any rattles? :eek:ut:
 
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teamdicky said:
When cables are routed on top it ends up scratching the paint.
I am considering internally routing the rear brake line.
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I'd just put a minimal strip of that frame protectant tape on the TT under the cable. Internal routing seems like adding complication and hassle.
 
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Shoo -
What you really need one of those frame bag things that fits in the front triangle - you should be able to find one in a nice 80's neon to match your spokes.

That way you can carry a sandwich and chocolate milk AND comfortably shoulder your bike.

They're not dorky in the least -
 
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that's very roadie!

i had it on an old road frame and it was a pain.

get a top tube protector pad from reload or whatever and run them wherever you want.
 
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Knuckles said:
Shoo -
What you really need one of those frame bag things that fits in the front triangle - you should be able to find one in a nice 80's neon to match your spokes.

That way you can carry a sandwich and chocolate milk AND comfortably shoulder your bike.

They're not dorky in the least -
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I almost bought one a few months ago. They have one leftover from another decade at my LBS.
 
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Most frame builders run a stainless steel tube on the inside of the frame. So there should be no problem replacing the cables in the future. Here are a few shots from a famos tool maker.

http://www.anvilbikes.com/gallery/d...com/gallery/details.php?image_id=162&sessionid=08d8f13ededb94742c609094afb59c72

http://www.anvilbikes.com/gallery/d...com/gallery/details.php?image_id=182&sessionid=08d8f13ededb94742c609094afb59c72

http://www.anvilbikes.com/gallery/d...com/gallery/details.php?image_id=185&sessionid=08d8f13ededb94742c609094afb59c72

http://www.anvilbikes.com/gallery/d...com/gallery/details.php?image_id=176&sessionid=08d8f13ededb94742c609094afb59c72

http://www.anvilbikes.com/gallery/d...com/gallery/details.php?image_id=178&sessionid=08d8f13ededb94742c609094afb59c72

Like Rob said it's not a big deal just a few more steps.

This shows exaclty what i'm talking about...

http://www.ybarrola.com/Persechini/p-pic12.htm
 
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The frames I've owned that had internal cable routing were a pain. But, none of them had an internal tube like the one posted above. That looks pretty slick.
 
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Do it...it would look super clean...and from reading your posts, you are a man that appreciates style. Have the entry hole at 10:00 and the exit at 7:00. Put the top hose saddle on the bottom of the seatstay and the lower saddle on the inside of the seatstay. Keeps the hose inboard and pretty much out of view. The hose would sneak out of your TT and directly under the ST. You'd barely see it. At least of a portion of going custom is to be able to have these neat little touches on your ride.

Internal hose routing would made it much harder to remove the brake for going rear brakeless fixie. And we all know you can't just leave the brake on there when riding fixie...you'd get thrown out of the club.

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