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I installed the Enduro casing Argotal/Kryptotal on my Sentinel today, and it instantly felt better than either the Gravity or Trail radials in every regard.
I have an addendum to this statement - even though the Trail Alberts don’t feel as “coil-y” as the Gravity casing, NOT having them was definitely notable for a long rocky descent on Sunday. In contrast, the Enduro Contis feel a bit harsh and pingy in that kind of terrain - even though the DH Contis also felt harsh to me, they might be less so than the Enduro version. I also found that in narrow sections of trail, the Argotals cornering knobs could sometimes catch and grab onto the side of the trail, which was quite strange. I may throw the Alberts back on and keep experimenting with that.
 
I also found that in narrow sections of trail, the Argotals cornering knobs could sometimes catch and grab onto the side of the trail, which was quite strange.
Thanks for the review on the Argotal. I really like to run a "mid-spike" tire in corner season conditions if I'm riding a more aggressive bike and dealing with mud. Historically, the Shorty, Verdict (Vigilante if things are drying out), Magic Mary, or Hillbilly have been good options. I've been curious about the new offerings in this realm like the High Roller III and the Argotal. Weird about the side-knobs on the Argotal grabbing unpredictably. Sometimes I want that type of side knob engagement if I'm riding lots of off-camber roots, but generally if the side knobs are too "sideways" rather than pointing straight down, the tire feels wandery on firm, bermed terrain.
 
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Thanks for the review on the Argotal. I really like to run a "mid-spike" tire in corner season conditions if I'm riding a more aggressive bike and dealing with mud. Historically, the Shorty, Verdict (Vigilante if things are drying out), Magic Mary, or Hillbilly have been good options. I've been curious about the new offerings in this realm like the High Roller III and the Argotal. Weird about the side-knobs on the Argotal grabbing unpredictably. Sometimes I want that type of side knob engagement if I'm riding lots of off-camber roots, but generally if the side knobs are too "sideways" rather than pointing straight down, the tire feels wandery on firm, bermed terrain.
FWIW, they actually felt pretty good on hard pack the day before - this trail is as much a hiking trail as a bike trail, so it’s pretty easy to come in contact with the dirt at the edge of the ~3’ wide tread in places. Not sure that it would be a concern on most trails but it was definitely surprising!
 
I was up on Whistler and my WTB Judge failed, so I replaced it with a Specialized Eliminator that was on sale. I mounted it on the wheel just using my fingers. I set the bead using my floor pump. With the valve core still in it. It's the Grid Trail and it took some very serious abuse in the bike park without issue.

When I got home, I took the Verdict off the from of the bike because it was washing out in the dry conditions. I put on a T9 Butcher that I had. Again, it went on incredibly easy and didn't need a giant compressor to seat the bead.

Given all the sweaty fights that I've been having with other tire brands getting them off and on, I think I'm pretty much sold on Specialized tires now.
 
I was up on Whistler and my WTB Judge failed, so I replaced it with a Specialized Eliminator that was on sale. I mounted it on the wheel just using my fingers. I set the bead using my floor pump. With the valve core still in it. It's the Grid Trail and it took some very serious abuse in the bike park without issue.

When I got home, I took the Verdict off the from of the bike because it was washing out in the dry conditions. I put on a T9 Butcher that I had. Again, it went on incredibly easy and didn't need a giant compressor to seat the bead.

Given all the sweaty fights that I've been having with other tire brands getting them off and on, I think I'm pretty much sold on Specialized tires now.
Good to hear about the Grid Trail Eliminator. I'm going to beat the ever living snot out of that thing when I move to Phoenix.
 
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I was up on Whistler and my WTB Judge failed, so I replaced it with a Specialized Eliminator that was on sale. I mounted it on the wheel just using my fingers. I set the bead using my floor pump. With the valve core still in it. It's the Grid Trail and it took some very serious abuse in the bike park without issue.

When I got home, I took the Verdict off the from of the bike because it was washing out in the dry conditions. I put on a T9 Butcher that I had. Again, it went on incredibly easy and didn't need a giant compressor to seat the bead.

Given all the sweaty fights that I've been having with other tire brands getting them off and on, I think I'm pretty much sold on Specialized tires now.
They’re easy to hate, but Spesh really knows how to make a good tire/saddle.

I’m still coming to grips with tire choices for both the SST and the Sentinel. Maybe it’s just been a bit greasy lately, but had a couple sketchy moments so far with the High Grip Peacekeeper stepping out front on the SST. As far as the Sentinel, the Argotal/Kryptotal Re combo is doing quite well (and better than you’d expect in the hardpack), but I’m very much missing the casing feel of the Radials, if not the tread pattern. I was definitely spoiled by how well the Radials soak up chatter.
 
Since I can’t find the thread where to post my generic question, it looks like it’s a good place to ask them. So I got a new bike that summer. It came with the Assegai 2.5 exo+ maxxtera front tire. My previous front tire was a 2.3 T9 grid trail.

My local trails are not far away from Bielsko Biala (enduro WC trails) and Szczyrk (DH WC park), where I also ride a lot.



My biggest gripes with Assegai:

1. Riding after rain on wet soil (but not mud yet) is worse than butcher. Though I wouldn’t say the tire thread is packed. But there isn’t much grip. On the recent ride (not dry ground), I had a few close calls, almost washing out.
Is it a compound or thread problem?


2. I don’t feel that the tire damps the trail chatter like the Butcher. I miss that muted sound of the trail I enjoyed with the butcher in T9. My previous butcher in T7 compound sounded the same as the current Assegai.

What will calm the trail more - DD casing or Maxxgrip compound?



3. Turns - I can’t turn with it as I like. Maybe it’s mental stuff - when I practice flat turns, I can get the same lean angles as I did with butchers. But riding trails is completely different - I just don’t feel I can lean it more. And it leads to slower turns - I can’t lean the bike enough to turn -> need to use the handlebars more -> need to scrub speed more because it feels sketchier.
Once again - is it a compound or thread problem?


And if you get to that line, what new tire should I buy?
 
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Since I can’t find the thread where to post my generic question, it looks like it’s a good place to ask them. So I got a new bike that summer. It came with the Assegai 2.5 exo+ maxxtera front tire. My previous front tire was a 2.3 T9 grid trail.

My local trails are not far away from Bielsko Biala (enduro WC trails) and Szczyrk (DH WC park), where I also ride a lot.
EXO+ is relatively similar to grid trail. I’d say the biggest thing you’re feeling is that Max Terra is a harder and faster rebounding compound than T9 (in regards to the grip thing), and that the Butcher has a “channel” between the center knobs and cornering knobs, which contributes to the feeling of committing and locking in to a turn, vs the consistent level of grip from an Assegai, which can be less inspiring for some people.
 
Since I can’t find the thread where to post my generic question, it looks like it’s a good place to ask them. So I got a new bike that summer. It came with the Assegai 2.5 exo+ maxxtera front tire. My previous front tire was a 2.3 T9 grid trail.

My local trails are not far away from Bielsko Biala (enduro WC trails) and Szczyrk (DH WC park), where I also ride a lot.



My biggest gripes with Assegai:

1. Riding after rain on wet soil (but not mud yet) is worse than butcher. Though I wouldn’t say the tire thread is packed. But there isn’t much grip. On the recent ride (not dry ground), I had a few close calls, almost washing out.
Is it a compound or thread problem?


2. I don’t feel that the tire damps the trail chatter like the Butcher. I miss that muted sound of the trail I enjoyed with the butcher in T9. My previous butcher in T7 compound sounded the same as the current Assegai.

What will calm the trail more - DD casing or Maxxgrip compound?



3. Turns - I can’t turn with it as I like. Maybe it’s mental stuff - when I practice flat turns, I can get the same lean angles as I did with butchers. But riding trails is completely different - I just don’t feel I can lean it more. And it leads to slower turns - I can’t lean the bike enough to turn -> need to use the handlebars more -> need to scrub speed more because it feels sketchier.
Once again - is it a compound or thread problem?


And if you get to that line, what new tire should I buy?
I found the Maxxterra Assegai to have poor performance on wet roots. I replaced it with a T9 Butcher that is significantly better.
 
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Is there anything better than the Butcher T9? I was running butchers for quite a long time (started with Gripton compound, which is T7 afaik), though T9 was a recent discovery for me. I was excited to check the assegai that came stock. And it turned out to be such a disappointment. I'm thinking about MM US radial (which is hard to get right now in Europe) or Maxxis High Roller 3 in MaxxGrip.
 
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Is there anything better than the Butcher T9? I was running butchers for quite a long time (started with Gripton compound, which is T7 afaik), though T9 was a recent discovery for me. I was excited to check the assegai that came stock. And it turned out to be such a disappointment. I'm thinking about MM US radial (which is hard to get right now in Europe) or Maxxis High Roller 3 in MaxxGrip.
What is your terrain like? The Butcher T9 is excellent and cost effective, but MM Radial could be great if your conditions are on the looser/more natural side, and HR3 could be good if you’re riding plenty of loose stuff. Right now I’m feeling pretty pleased with the Argotal in Supersoft as a front tire, as the well-supported knobs and ramping make it perform way better than you would think for general conditions.
 
My local trails are not far away from Bielsko Biala (enduro WC trails) and Szczyrk (DH WC park), which I also ride a lot.

When it stays dry too long, it becomes dusty and can be really loose; when it's wet, it starts turning into clay. This year it has been raining a lot. So trails are more on the soft/wet-but-not-true-mud-yet side.

Probably the best video with action from enduro wc riders:

 
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When it stays dry too long, it becomes dusty and can be really loose; when it's wet, it starts turning into clay. This year it has been raining a lot. So trails are more on the soft/wet-but-not-true-mud-yet side.
Definitely would thing something spikier than a Butcher would work well. Hillbilly, HR3, Argotal, and Magic Mary could all be good options. The Argotal is the only one of those I've ridden though - where I live is more hardpack with occasional dusty and loose conditions, so I usually run Butcher, Vigilante, or Kryptotal Fr with good success.
 
The bike world has figured out that the tire is faster if not repairing it trailside. This is also why Maxxis is losing market share. I have used 700g tires that are slower than other 900g tires. My practical limit is around 1000g for our dessert riding, at 200lbs and rocky tech. BTW, Pirelli (single compound) tires may be what you are looking for. Some of the best QC around.
What kind of dessert do you ride? I like pie.
 
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I may have over AND underdone it by going Argotal/Kryptotal rear, but going to the Enduro casing instead of DH. Some of our backcountry stuff is loose enough that the knob height on the Argotal is nice, but most of the time it just feels I'm not taking advantage of the traction and tall knobs. Both the Enduro and DH casing Contis are probably the stiffest and least comfortable tire casings that I've ever ridden, as well - some people have commented that switching to Radials feels like freshly serviced suspension, and to me, the Contis kind of feel like swapping to suspension that's overdue for it. I'm tempted to put the Gravity Pro Alberts back on, as they were the fastest and most comfortable (downhill) setup I've run this summer, but I'm leery of the somewhat vague feel. I am once again very much missing the Tough/Fast Rolling Trail Boss.
 
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How do they compare to maxis DD and DH casings? And spesh grid gravity ?
I haven't ever ridden any of those casings enough to have a strong feeling about it! I would say they're harsher feeling than Grid Trail (similar weight) and WTB Tough casings.
 
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