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Comparison of Johnny 5 and Vee Snowshoe 2XL

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Has anyone done a comparison between the full 5" wide fat bike tires .
I want to get 1 to see if it will fit in my Kona WO , on the rear .
4.6" measured , 4.8" labled Snowshoe XL have room to spare for length of chain stays and chain in lowest gear . And I want the biggest , fattest tires I can fit . And have work cc correctly
 
#2 ·
Snowshoe 2XL and Surly B/L are the gold standards for "big tire" in 26.

The J5 isn't far behind, but has massively more ice traction with the studs.

The Cakeeater 27.5x4.6 on my 95mm rims was bigger than J5s that someone had on what had to be 80mm rims, both in height and just a bit wider/volume. These are the current "monster" tires IMO with a decently wide rim. The 27.5 part gives massive traction on any soft uphill IME compared to smaller diameter tires and the width, one of the few that actually exceeds the claimed, gives real soft snow float. These tires are so big that I generally only use them for soft-snow pioneering/trailblazing days with new-fallen snow. Anywhere else, such as in a race, even if soft, they are just too much of a drag to pedal around for miles.

I wouldn't recommend any of these tires on less than a 90mm rim.

The "small" tires here are 3.5s, but the rim diameters are both 27.5, which is pretty amazing the difference.
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I’ve ran 4.5 X 27.5 Gnarwhals on my Wo with room to spare, but mine has sliding rear dropouts. Sorry, no pic of rear clearance. Don’t believe a 2XL would clear even with sliders all the way back. Could certainly clear Cake Eater 4.5 of Johnny5 for sure.
Gnarwhals diameter is greater than the 4.8 x26, won’t clear the arch of a Bluto. So consider overall height in addition to width.
 
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How much of this clearance can you give up and not run into issues with snow packing up between the frame and tire? I know Kona wanted to keep the Wo price down so they dropped the sliders but I had to slide mine back to stop buildup here and at the seat stays.
Maybe not a problem with the snow you will be riding in though.
And could you as an experiment take a tire pump and a guage with you when you go out riding before snow starts up and find out how low you can go on tire pressure before the Vee Rubber tires take over steering from you?
 
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How much of this clearance can you give up and not run into issues with snow packing up between the frame and tire? I know Kona wanted to keep the Wo price down so they dropped the sliders but I had to slide mine back to stop buildup here and at the seat stays.
Maybe not a problem with the snow you will be riding in though.
And could you as an experiment take a tire pump and a guage with you when you go out riding before snow starts up and find out how low you can go on tire pressure before the Vee Rubber tires take over steering from you?
Really good point . In early winter here . October , November and December. At times the fresh snow is higher in water content and so is sticky. But even so , we very seldom get snow that can make a snowball. So it cleans out of the lugs easily.
As we get a lot of cold here . Very often it's-20 - minus 30 F . My goal is to set up tubeless just to reduce rolling resistence.
Trick is to have enough pressure in the tires to keep from burping and self steering. But low enough to give a good ride and traction/floatation.
 
#9 ·
I spent a good chunk of a Colorado alpine winter comparing/contrasting these two tires.

I shared lots of thoughts, some pics, and some data about that process here:


Don't hesitate with questions.
 
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I carefully read through the entire thread. Thank you So Much for posting the link .
Now that it's been a few years since then . Is there anything you would augment .
Ide Never Heared of a steering dampener.
Still don't know how the work . But I spose i can ai it .
VERY impressed that you've been to Nome that many times ! And you and your wife's custom bikes are AWESOME !
Probably the closest I will get to that is an ICT. unless my ship comes in and there's a Moonlander on it 🤪.
I was measuring my WO this morning. It has an XL Snowshoe Avalanche 4.8s that measure with a caliper @4.53" on the 80 mm Sun Ringle Mulefut rims .
The chain when in the lowest gear , does not run inside of the right chain stay. And there is 14 mm from the knots to the chsinstays. 20 mm to the seat post and 40 motor the top . All measured from the tire with 10 psi in it .
I think I'll get a Johnny 5 studded and try it in the rear . See if it will fit . Sliding dropouts would be handy for this . But , I think a 2xl Snowshoe will fit the front as there is boatload of extra room there. That might make for an odd combo. But maybe it would work .
Where I live and ride. The name of the local newspaper is the Delta Wind. It is Very aptly named . It blows and drifts like it does on the arctic sea coast . The drifts freeze solid . So solid , the moose wait till they freeze then spend most of the rest of the winter up on them accessing fresh browse.
We also have plenty of snogoers (snowmobilers) here . And I have a get stuck special myself . Tho I hardly ever use it . I need to get an old, mountain/powder, long track for breaking trails out .
If the Johnny 5 won't fit in my frame due to being too big , wide or tall. What would be the next step down in size you would reccomend ?
Your approach of being able to ride more than you hikeabike is my desire also . Also not interested in fast speed.
The way I think is , the faster someone rides through the countryside. The less and less of the countryside they actually see and experience . Until the crash. And I'm not interested in that kind of experience .
Thanks again .
P S.
The Onyx hubs , how durable , long lasting are they ?