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These were such great bikes. Short and steep by modern standards but somehow I still managed to set PRs in places on those that I've yet to beat on any other bike. The fact they were standard w/ sliders and split stays was great, my first experience with belt drive.
I ran it geared so never took advantage of the SS setup. Rode it for 5 years or so till my old man back started whining riding it on our local singletrack. I've had ti hardtails in the past and it was just as nice as far as ride quality goes, the raw finish w/clear coat is really cool too had so many inquires on the trails. It was affordable as well $1500 at the time.

I've actually tried to sell it where it gets used but everyone wants the new school geo, the things I would want in a new gravel bike it has-more tire clearance, rear axle standard to run a modern drivetrain. With the right fork the weight would not be far off my Salsa either I bet, which is no lightweight!
 
LOL. $2500 for a frameset?

I bought a complete carbon gravel bike for that much.
$2500 is a lot, but it's made in the USA with some very high end tubing, so the price is probably fair. Also consider that they have some nice paint options, and there's barely any economies of scale due to the small quantities. The Wilde Earth Ship (made in USA) is $3300 for example, while a more boutique frame from Taiwan like the Rodeo Flaanimal is $1600, or a Jamis Renegade S1 is $1100.

I like the frame, checks pretty much every box if you want something simple with wide tires and relaxed geo that also looks classy AF. Honestly always been surprised more people don't go for high end steel frames for gravel; they look and ride so nice with no worries.
 
Late reply... the Niner and the Ritchey are both nice frames but are both sourced overseas so it's not a fair comparison or apples to apples. We toyed with the idea of importing some frames, the prices are very tempting to be honest but decided to keep these frames in the US. Frames like the 2 you mentioned cost less than $400 if you import them and the dropouts, BB and head tubes aren't as good of quality. We're doing small batches in the US, you can add bottle bosses and custom colors so there is some customization available. Our bikes definitely cost more, but we pay quite a bit more to build them and they are more unique. If you're building a forever bike or a dream bike it could be worth the extra money for some riders, if it's just another bike in the quiver there's definitely cheaper alternatives. Hope that is helpful.
 
Late reply... the Niner and the Ritchey are both nice frames but are both sourced overseas so it's not a fair comparison or apples to apples. We toyed with the idea of importing some frames, the prices are very tempting to be honest but decided to keep these frames in the US. Frames like the 2 you mentioned cost less than $400 if you import them and the dropouts, BB and head tubes aren't as good of quality. We're doing small batches in the US, you can add bottle bosses and custom colors so there is some customization available. Our bikes definitely cost more, but we pay quite a bit more to build them and they are more unique. If you're building a forever bike or a dream bike it could be worth the extra money for some riders, if it's just another bike in the quiver there's definitely cheaper alternatives. Hope that is helpful.
That depends on what and from whom you're importing. Mainland China low bidders versus top tier builders in Taiwan are very different things. How are the dropouts and tubes you're using superior? Material? Workmanship?
 
That depends on what and from whom you're importing. Mainland China low bidders versus top tier builders in Taiwan are very different things. How are the dropouts and tubes you're using superior? Material? Workmanship?
The quotes we got for those prices were from top tier builders in Taiwan and their quality is AMAZING! It's definitely not a knock on them at all. A China frame could cost as low as $200 bucks a frame and still be really nice! The welds are fantastic and they can use Columbus or Reynolds tubing but the difference is in the details, the cable guides are a little cheaper, welded on with zip ties versus clamp on style, the head tubes and bottom brackets have thinner walls VS ours or other US brands that are machined with thicker cup sections and the drop outs aren't as nice or UDH compatible. We could certainly skimp on little details and bring the price down but then we'd battle with people on price and need to order large quantities of bikes that may or may not go out of style or change with trends, we can always adapt quickly. We want to provide high quality, good value (there will be always be something cheaper) and something unique so our customers feel like they own something special.
 
The quotes we got for those prices were from top tier builders in Taiwan and their quality is AMAZING! It's definitely not a knock on them at all. A China frame could cost as low as $200 bucks a frame and still be really nice! The welds are fantastic and they can use Columbus or Reynolds tubing but the difference is in the details, the cable guides are a little cheaper, welded on with zip ties versus clamp on style, the head tubes and bottom brackets have thinner walls VS ours or other US brands that are machined with thicker cup sections and the drop outs aren't as nice or UDH compatible. We could certainly skimp on little details and bring the price down but then we'd battle with people on price and need to order large quantities of bikes that may or may not go out of style or change with trends, we can always adapt quickly. We want to provide high quality, good value (there will be always be something cheaper) and something unique so our customers feel like they own something special.
Details matter. No argument there. I appreciate what y'all are doing. My next full sus frame will be steel if possible.
 
$2500 is a lot, but it's made in the USA with some very high end tubing, so the price is probably fair. Also consider that they have some nice paint options, and there's barely any economies of scale due to the small quantities. The Wilde Earth Ship (made in USA) is $3300 for example, while a more boutique frame from Taiwan like the Rodeo Flaanimal is $1600, or a Jamis Renegade S1 is $1100.

I like the frame, checks pretty much every box if you want something simple with wide tires and relaxed geo that also looks classy AF. Honestly always been surprised more people don't go for high end steel frames for gravel; they look and ride so nice with no worries.
I get that. But can't justify spending that much when I can get the same or better for less $$$.

I avoid steel for weight reasons.
 
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