I take it you have never had anything higher than a secret clearance because even though I was in twenty years ago, I doubt that anything has changed with security clearance programs to make the way I refer to them sound off. It will sound off if you have never stepped foot in that world, but I find it odd that you take any issue with it as I am only saying basic things like being read into a program and the fact that I had a TS SCI clearance. You can google both of these terms in less than 5 seconds to see that this is normal.
I would also say that there's almost no secret information, program or nuke storage location that wasn't already pretty much known by enough people that these things were not a surprises once the government admits.
One example is when I was stationed in Incirlik AB in Turkey, we had Security Forces providing 24 hour guard for aircraft bunkers during the 3 years that I was there. I was not part of that program. I was not read into that program but I knew because everyone else knew that those aircraft bunkers stored nuclear warheads that were not even allowed to be in that country at the time. The entire base knew it. SF personnel get drunk every single night on that base and they would talk about what was in there. Almost none of them were supposed to know what was in there as well with only a Secret clearance.
Eventually Trump let it slip that yes, we indeed do store a shitload of nukes at that base. If YOU heard about this the other day you would probably have assumed everyone kept that secret twenty years ago when I was there and it was supposed be actual TS information, but again, everyone on that base knew about them, all the way down to the Services personnel washing our dishes in the DFAC.
Reality is that there are not really any secrets, but there a lot of people that want to believe there are because they want to believe that there are all kinds of big conspiracies. IMO, there's no real conspiracies, just grand plans obfuscated by ignorance of our populace. This is how so many people are inclined to vote against their own interests every chance that they get.
It's the way you are talking about it. I'm sure anyone else who has had a clearance and/or worked with classified projects would agree. For example, just like in "Inglorious Bastards," your way sounds...
odd.
Saying things like, "I had an
above top secret clearance." Or "there are other clearances that are even more above TS that need a polygraph." NOBODY says stuff like that, and its factually incorrect as well. They say, I had a TS SCI or I had a TS SCI+ poly, etc., but nobody tries to talk up a big game like it's above TS, with the exception of the energy people who love to make out like their clearances are magically more important...but anyhow. Like you might add a GPS to your bike, but that doesn't make a different bike. I dunno, I'm not trying to pull a "stolen valor" card or something, but just that you invested so much time to explain it, and now it sounds even more
odd, makes it even more suspicious.
Even your information about nukes in Incirilik is factually incorrect. Everybody knows/knew there were nukes there since they were there. It's called strategic deterrence and was part of a very transparent set of actions around various nuclear treaties....
Also, also, you conflating "hiding illegal" stuff with security clearances is also
odd. Also, also, also, SF frequently has no idea what they are doing other than keeping people from going one place or another. The fact is that the people around projects don't want to talk about it, and no one asks about it either, because it's
odd behavior. What was probably classified was the exact location, storage conditions, security, etc. And yeah, that stuff gets out because it's in plain sight. Just like everyone can read a notam and deduce that a missile test is going to happen in a certain window. That has nothing to do with keeping a secret or not.
Anyhow, I'm not going to debate it further, I find your accent, for a manner of speaking, to be very, very, odd, and I personally won't put any credibility behind whatever you're claiming. Others can make up their own minds. Cheers.
