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Build them here, then perhaps they will actually be worth what they now cost. It’s not rocket science, they are now made in factories for basically slave wages and sold in first world countries for a maximum profit and that’s what society has been groomed to accept. Laugh if you want but it’s true and bikes aren’t the only thing.
 
I like bikes, I really do. I'll be able to continue to buy bikes if they increase in price 25% or whatever.

But the utter destruction being caused to the US economy by one individual, against the advice of any economists of any political affiliation is the real issue here.

DJT is working with outdated ideas based on theories that he formed in the 1970s and 1980s, without the input from any economist at all.

I work in commercial heavy duty trucks sales and am privy to what these factories are planning. These are smart businesspeople and are going to do whatever the dollar leads them to do, and the reality is that paying an extra 25-50% at wholesale cost is cheaper than paying for US health insurance, US real estate, US wages, building US factories and so on. So, it's true that they will dig around and see if a US supplier can assist with some parts production here and there, but by and large they are going to keep on building parts where they are and just pass the cost to the US consumers. Furthermore, if they do get some items built in the USA, they will absolutely cost the consumer more!

Investing in new factories at some enormous cost, for a frail president's ego, who will likely be gone in 3.75 years, just doesn't make sense. Lastly, the future of factories everywhere is automation. So any new factory at US high labor costs will bring very few actual jobs. Asian countries only use manual labor, because they get it on pennies on the dollar. This will not last forever even there.

Lastly, the number of jobs lost due to a crashing economy, will greatly outstrip the possible few thousand jobs created by new US factories. Let's imagine that the US could possibly have more manufacturing jobs in 20 years if the Tariffs lasted several presidencies, is that alone worth destroying the retirement of the Baby Boomers? Destroying 100,000s of US businesses that sell partial or total foreign products? Increasing the cost of living for struggling Americans? Etc.

Ultimately, the POTUS has given the American people: 1) the greatest tax increase on the working middle class in history, 2) is in the process of crashing the world economy, 3) and is following that up with a huge tax cut that will greatly spike the deficit and cut taxes for the wealthiest Americans.
 
Fwiw the updated version of Able gravel bike(now with 29x2.25 clearance) from the Walton owned Allied took production for US to Asia(no word where). It still cost like $12k for top end complete model.
 
Then go work for yourself. Be the captain of your own ship. It's tough with many sleepless nights, (I've been up since 2) but it's rewarding and my boss sucks.
Sounds exhausting! One thing I liked about my somewhat boring office job was that I didn't take it home with me. Put in my 40 hours/week and then my time was my own. I'm retired now which is the best gig I've ever had.
 
I think we're all counting on Trumpism failing, gas prices are already up, job market is weakening, food and commodity prices are rising, should n't be too long before the flags come down and folks start scraping stickers.

Fingers crossed this incredible series of political and economic missteps leads to a social correction.
Oil by the barrel is tanking here in Alaska, which screws our state economy/revenue, which is largely based on oil industry taxes. Just goes to show that the world ain’t as simple as some people want it to be.
 
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Well I for one cant wait to start my factory job.
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Oil by the barrel is tanking here in Alaska, which screws our state economy/revenue, which is largely based on oil industry taxes. Just goes to show that the world ain’t as simple as some people want it to be.
It's worth pointing out that US oil execs have stated that 'cheap American oil' is an oxymoron.
You can have cheap oil, or American oil, but not both.
 
But the utter destruction being caused to the US economy by one individual, against the advice of any economists of any political affiliation is the real issue here.
Totally agree, although there is a significant portion of the population that enables it. I have a lot of in-laws that are die hard Trumpers, and the mental gymnastics they're going through trying explain why this is all great would be hilarious if the whole situation wasn't so sad and terrifying.

Ordered some AliExpress parts a while back. Going to be interesting to see if they ever show up, or if they come with a tariff bill when they do.
 
Investing in new factories at some enormous cost, for a frail president's ego, who will likely be gone in 3.75 years, just doesn't make sense. Lastly, the future of factories everywhere is automation. So any new factory at US high labor costs will bring very few actual jobs.
Yep. Talking to the president of a company that supplies my company with commercial cooking equipment, they have no plan to bring factories here. They did the math and it's cheaper to just deal with tariffs. Even if they did their factories are highly automated with very few people needed so the notion of adding lots of jobs is a myth.

I work in the grocery industry and 100% chance the cost of groceries is going up if the tariffs stick around long. Our margins are already thin, the industry as a whole can't absorb costs for long.
 
I'm wondering what bits of my newest bike are actually made in the US? Is SRAM stuff made in the US? I haven't a clue. Specialized Stumpy so assume the frame is Taiwan.
 
Build them here, then perhaps they will actually be worth what they now cost. It’s not rocket science, they are now made in factories for basically slave wages and sold in first world countries for a maximum profit and that’s what society has been groomed to accept. Laugh if you want but it’s true and bikes aren’t the only thing.
Do you genuinely believe that it can be done? I mean if it was all profit gouging, then surely someone local would have already done it and undercut the big brands? But it's the opposite, the US made bikes tend to be more expensive, certainly boutique, and the only one I was interested in is out of business (Guerrilla Gravity).
 
USA $2T deficit every year and $1T and growing debt service every year, totally unsustainable.

-Bury head in sand and keep borrowing to spend, DOOM.
-MAGA with economic crowbar, DOOM.

There's no way to get cheap bike parts in the foreseeable future for hard working taxpayers like me, but at least those oldsters get their eol med care and single moms they food cards. Maybe Canada is on to something with the MAID pods.
 
But the utter destruction being caused to the US economy by one individual, against the advice of any economists of any political affiliation is the real issue here.
Don't forget that republicans in Congress have the power to stop this but aren't. They're complicit too. This is global economic damage that terrorists couldn't even dream of accomplishing.

Oil by the barrel is tanking here in Alaska, which screws our state economy/revenue, which is largely based on oil industry taxes.
Commodity prices tend to drop during a recession. Expect morons to be cheering Trump for lowering gas prices in the next few months.
 
Here's a really interesting & educational interview with Silca's Josh Poertner on the impacts of tariffs on the bike industry, the most intelligent commentator & best communicator that I've heard discussing the bike industry.

He explains supply chains, margins, profitability for suppliers / brands & retailers, why to manufacture in what location, the viability of manufacturing in a location, some of Silca's business plannings process, Silca's expansion plans & global distribution method

Two take out messages
  1. Buy from your LBS; they'll suffer, so will need your support
  2. If you want something, but it now.

 
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