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#541 ·
wfl3 said:
I would have assumed Taiwan or Vietnam. That's a steep premium for a China produced frame, especially compared to something in the weight class like a Carbonda 909.
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Agreed, and of all the existing quality factories in Taiwan and Vietnam, China is the worst place Allied could have shifted production to. Unfortunately they’ve lost me as a potential customer for the BC40 now.
 
#542 ·
alannzulu said:
Agreed, and of all the existing quality factories in Taiwan and Vietnam, China is the worst place Allied could have shifted production to. Unfortunately they’ve lost me as a potential customer for the BC40 now.
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I'll still buy one if I can get a L in glossy gold for $1500.

I don't get American companies. Why don't they just buy some robot arms that can throw the carbon into the mold and then slide it into the oven?
 
#543 ·
TylerVernon said:
I'll still buy one if I can get a L in glossy gold for $1500.

I don't get American companies. Why don't they just buy some robot arms that can throw the carbon into the mold and then slide it into the oven?
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The cost of industrial equipment like that is so prohibitively expensive you need to be utilizing it on generally a far greater scale than a small bicycle company to have it make any financial sense. A decent CNC setup will run above a million dollars easy and there's a lot more going on than just the mill itself. How you going to get it there? Stock? Engineers/operators capable? Many, if not most companies, that "make" CNC stuff simply buy time from an industrial CNC company and have their production runs made, in addition to whomever else is using the same manufacturer to make widgets. There are a few with their own setups and machining, but the point is it's prohibitively expensive to do all of this in-house for the equipment and when you do have said equipment, it needs to be utilized pretty constantly to not lose money.
 
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#544 ·
I just spoke with the guys at Allied. They informed me that they are doing the rough layup overseas now but the finished work will still be completed in-house. The revised version is 100g lighter. They also said they still have a few US made frames in the shop. I have been actively looking at buying a US made frame and. I believe this still would qualify since over 50% is still made here.
 
#545 ·
jarwes said:
I just spoke with the guys at Allied. They informed me that they are doing the rough layup overseas now but the finished work will still be completed in-house. The revised version is 100g lighter. They also said they still have a few US made frames in the shop. I have been actively looking at buying a US made frame and. I believe this still would qualify since over 50% is still made here.
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not exactly sure what they define as rough layup, the frame is completely made overseas and finish work is done here, hardware, sand/paint. but the carbon frame itself is made somewhere they don't even wanna say where. I see absolutely no problem with that, my issue is how shady they were about the entire change.
 
#546 ·
not exactly sure what they define as rough layup, the frame is completely made overseas and finish work is done here, hardware, sand/paint. but the carbon frame itself is made somewhere they don't even wanna say where. I see absolutely no problem with that, my issue is how shady they were about the entire change.
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I agree with you. This bike is on a very short list of bikes for me. I'd much rather spend my money on a frame manufactured here, but I also know that's harder to find these days. Ibis Exie maybe. I just don't like the idea of a company withholding a detail like that hoping the consumer doesn't notice.
 
#548 ·
mfa81 said:
not exactly sure what they define as rough layup, the frame is completely made overseas and finish work is done here, hardware, sand/paint. but the carbon frame itself is made somewhere they don't even wanna say where. I see absolutely no problem with that, my issue is how shady they were about the entire change.
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100%. I got the same explanation, and while that’s all fine and good, what ever happened to the ‘Made Here’ ethos? I cancelled my order (even after being offered one of the remaining US-built frames) and went with a foreign-made Blur, to match my existing foreign-made Blur. At least SC isn’t hiding anything and I knew exactly what I was buying. It’s a shame because I was really pumped not only for a great new bike, but also to ‘do the right thing’ and buy local. But the bait and switch kinda zapped my enthusiasm.
 
#549 ·
PGas32 said:
100%. I got the same explanation, and while that’s all fine and good, what ever happened to the ‘Made Here’ ethos? I cancelled my order (even after being offered one of the remaining US-built frames) and went with a foreign-made Blur, to match my existing foreign-made Blur. At least SC isn’t hiding anything and I knew exactly what I was buying. It’s a shame because I was really pumped not only for a great new bike, but also to ‘do the right thing’ and buy local. But the bait and switch kinda zapped my enthusiasm.
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That's where I am too. I'm not sure I want to go that route anymore. I live about 2 hours from Santa Cruz, and was gonna throw a leg over the Ibis exist to see how that rides. That's still made here..
 
#550 ·
PGas32 said:
100%. I got the same explanation, and while that’s all fine and good, what ever happened to the ‘Made Here’ ethos? I cancelled my order (even after being offered one of the remaining US-built frames) and went with a foreign-made Blur, to match my existing foreign-made Blur. At least SC isn’t hiding anything and I knew exactly what I was buying. It’s a shame because I was really pumped not only for a great new bike, but also to ‘do the right thing’ and buy local. But the bait and switch kinda zapped my enthusiasm.
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Can't blame you. The custom paint option is still cool, but I lost some respect for the brand with how they handled this.
 
#552 ·
jarwes said:
That's where I am too. I'm not sure I want to go that route anymore. I live about 2 hours from Santa Cruz, and was gonna throw a leg over the Ibis exist to see how that rides. That's still made here..
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Ibis was a lot more open about why they also started making some versions of the Exie overseas, clear communication with customers
 
#553 ·
Has anyone ridden a BC40 and a Transition Spur?

They seem really close on paper but the Allied sounds to be a bit more efficient pedaling and lighter, which is intriguing. I have a Spur and want something faster on the ups but just don’t want to give up much, if any, on the downhills.
 
#554 ·
The BC40 is an xc race bike with 120mm IME, not a trail bike you can XC race. You can ride “trails” on it, but its not as stiff as a non-flex pivot design generally IME and it doesnt inspire the same level of confidence as something like a pivot trail429.

There are some ridiculous light wheelsets these days that might level the field.
 
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#555 ·
Jayem said:
The BC40 is an xc race bike with 120mm IME, not a trail bike you can XC race. You can ride “trails” on it, but its not as stiff as a non-flex pivot design generally IME and it doesnt inspire the same level of confidence as something like a pivot trail429.

There are some ridiculous light wheelsets these days that might level the field.
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With that being said..I ride my bc40 on northshore trails in Vancouver BC and it can handle most of them even with the flex stay design..I have a fox 34 130mm on my set up with 4 pot xtr brakes and a bit of a burlier wheel set (we are one composites) Mounted to ground controls. I'm continuously blown away at how capable this thing is on the downs given its xc nature..Rides like a light weight trail bike in my current set up. Perfect bike for the BC bike race as well..
 
#556 ·
bohns1 said:
With that being said..I ride my bc40 on northshore trails in Vancouver BC and it can handle most of them even with the flex stay design..I have a fox 34 130mm on my set up with 4 pot xtr brakes and a bit of a burlier wheel set (we are one composites) Mounted to ground controls. I'm continuously blown away at how capable this thing is on the downs given its xc nature..Rides like a light weight trail bike in my current set up. Perfect bike for the BC bike race as well..
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You think the Fox/Sid rear shock is good?
 
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#557 ·
Jayem said:
The BC40 is an xc race bike with 120mm IME, not a trail bike you can XC race. You can ride “trails” on it, but its not as stiff as a non-flex pivot design generally IME and it doesnt inspire the same level of confidence as something like a pivot trail429.

There are some ridiculous light wheelsets these days that might level the field.
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Huh? Who said anything about non-flex stays or Pivot’s?
 
#559 ·
Jayem said:
You think the Fox/Sid rear shock is good?
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no experience with the Sid stuff..I come from a trail/enduroish background..Wanted to build mine up to be an all day sled that could still handle some decent tech on the downs as well as some booters and drops..Digging the fox front and rear set up for my style of riding.. The Sid set up is going to venture even more to the xc side for sure.
 
#560 ·
Just got off the phone with Allied - needed a little touchup paint - They could not have been cooler. They said having bikes made overseas was a super tough decision to make and a big part of it was they can now get bikes to people in 2 weeks and not 12-14 weeks. They can also introduce more new bikes....

Going to hang on to my BC40 with - MADE HERE on it.

(Road bikes are still made in house, but not the new gravel bike)
 
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