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#621 ·
OrenPerets said:
if you do not need the 4th position than this issue is meaningless to your usecase, you can ride it in position 2.
the alternative fix is simple but requires full disassembly if i remember right and adjusting the shock head.

Oren
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If i understand well - when my "knock" disappears at 80% of the way from 1 to 2 - lets say "1.8" - that means the platform shim stack in that position is just touching the piston with no pressure and no play - exactly how it should be at 1.
So my "1.8" should work like 1 . So my 2 works like "1.2" - simply a little bit more damped 1.
That means that instead of 1, 2, 3, 4 I have -0.8, 1.2, 2.2, 3.2 (probably not exactly like that).

The play in platform shim stack probably causes the beginning of rebound flow to pass the platform (until it is pressed against the piston) and pass the velocity stack (which probably doesn't fully cover the ports) - so the beginning of rebound flow completely bypass the rebound damper - and when the platform shim stack shuts closed forcing the oil into the rebound port and stack - this is what I feel as the "knock".

So yes - I will probably leave it as it is - and try to rebuild the damper after the season.
Since I really don't need more than those first 2 positions - maybe I could also try softenning the platform shim stack, when already in it...

Anyway thank you for help.
 
#622 ·
Nikolas1 said:
If i understand well - when my "knock" disappears at 80% of the way from 1 to 2 - lets say "1.8" - that means the platform shim stack in that position is just touching the piston with no pressure and no play - exactly how it should be at 1.
So my "1.8" should work like 1 . So my 2 works like "1.2" - simply a little bit more damped 1.
That means that instead of 1, 2, 3, 4 I have -0.8, 1.2, 2.2, 3.2 (probably not exactly like that).

The play in platform shim stack probably causes the beginning of rebound flow to pass the platform (until it is pressed against the piston) and pass the velocity stack (which probably doesn't fully cover the ports) - so the beginning of rebound flow completely bypass the rebound damper - and when the platform shim stack shuts closed forcing the oil into the rebound port and stack - this is what I feel as the "knock".

So yes - I will probably leave it as it is - and try to rebuild the damper after the season.
Since I really don't need more than those first 2 positions - maybe I could also try softenning the platform shim stack, when already in it...

Anyway thank you for help.
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You can try contacting the distributor for Manitou in your country to see if they can provide clarification. (The US office is quick to respond, but I've seen mentioned there that you may need to go through the distributor/importer for tech questions. But you can always try going through the main Hayes website and see if they'll get you an answer!)
 
#623 ·
jester6578 said:
You can try contacting the distributor for Manitou in your country to see if they can provide clarification. (The US office is quick to respond, but I've seen mentioned there that you may need to go through the distributor/importer for tech questions. But you can always try going through the main Hayes website and see if they'll get you an answer!)
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Hello, I have already went through Hayes Europe. Previously, they responded quickly -this time, I'm still waiting.
I don't know - maybe it would be easiest for me to ride through this season and send it to them after... will see, how they answer...
 
#625 ·
I sent mine in for the knock and they fixed it. Tried it and it feels like a different shock....lol. Before I could use a wider range of air pressure to get my sag. Shock still feels good, just different than when I sent it in.

The knock started with only the party mode. After 3 rides, it was happening in every mode.
 
#627 ·
Blkdoutindustries said:
How does the volume of the new king can compare to the bigger volume shocks like a Vivid or X2?
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It's hard to know without having the specs of each one, since the Vivid and X2 have a fundamentally different construction. If you are able to find the piston dimensions for each shock, you might be able to estimate based on stroke length I eyeballing the outer chambers compared to the main chamber.

That said, I'm not sure knowing that figure will give much insight on how the shock will be similar/different. The differences in construction (& piston diameter) will make a much larger difference than air volumes themselves.

I did find this article with some pretty awesome diagrams/animations of the Vivid & X2 while considering your question: MTB Anatomy #Spécial : A l'intérieur du RockShox Vivid ⋆ Vojo
 
#628 ·
Anyone got setup tips for the V2?

Replaced a V1 on my ebike with a V2 and did a little testing on my ramp at home. Seems to ride more like other brands...depends a bit more on air spring and isn't damped/controlled feeling as the V1. Granted this was just a few jumps and hucks to flat at my property, but I don't want to be messing around too much on the trail. Required air pressure was significantly higher. Currently got LSC and HSC near the middle. Just looking to save a little bracketing time.
 
#629 ·
What kind of tips would be helpful? You are correct that you'll be running significantly higher air pressures than the V1, but you may also find that you can vary the pressure a bit more and stay with in the preferred sag range for your bike.

I found that the V2 was a bit more active near the top of the stroke, but more controlled in the mid-stroke. I initially ran LSC pretty high, but backed it off over time. You can try running rebound a bit slower if it doesn't feel as controlled as you'd like. With a shock, I'm totally fine for the first ride or two to just reach down and fiddle with the HSC/LSC to get a feel for it, then record where I ended up at the end of the ride.
 
#630 ·
jester6578 said:
What kind of tips would be helpful? You are correct that you'll be running significantly higher air pressures than the V1, but you may also find that you can vary the pressure a bit more and stay with in the preferred sag range for your bike.

I found that the V2 was a bit more active near the top of the stroke, but more controlled in the mid-stroke. I initially ran LSC pretty high, but backed it off over time. You can try running rebound a bit slower if it doesn't feel as controlled as you'd like. With a shock, I'm totally fine for the first ride or two to just reach down and fiddle with the HSC/LSC to get a feel for it, then record where I ended up at the end of the ride.
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This is exactly the type of info I was looking for. The V1 was very sag and air pressure sensitive like you said. Good to know V2 isn't as finicky.

I had the V1 on 3 different bikes and found I always ended up on the higher end of sag with compression dialed in more than other shocks. Almost like it depended more on damping for support than the air spring. With the V1 being so different than other shocks, it took me a bit longer to get to settings I liked, but once I did I never touched the shock.
 
#633 ·
GatorXman said:
Anyone know if the volume spacers are the same for V2 and V1? Need a bit more ramp up on new shock
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The castle ones are, yes. (The biggins aren't backwards compatible, they're slightly too big for the air sleeve to go over.)

One other avenue to try (for the PB version*), would be to remove a negative air spacer. This allows you to run higher pressure for more bottom out resistance with more of a linear spring rate. I prefer this for higher speed riding, but actually did the opposite for the wet season around here. There are a few trails which are very rocky and are more likely to be ridable, but are also slower speed trails. I went +1 negative spacer from stock, added spacers to the positive volume as well, and ran lower pressures - worked well for the trails and speed. I'll probably swap back to a "summer" setup this weekend, but it's awesome how much you can change the characteristics of the shock by playing with the air volumes.

*I've seen reports of people getting harsh top out on the Mara Pro Inline, but have had no issues with it on my PB. YMMV.
 
#634 ·
jester6578 said:
This isn't entirely correct - at least for increasing stroke length. Per Manitou:

I haven't opened mine to check, but am considering getting a 210x50 since the 210x55 is out of stock. To either add spacers or remove spacers without cutting them off you'd have to do as Dougal mentioned (I assume), but removing spacers should be easy. @damdam5
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Did anyone try cutting the spacers? If so how did you do it? I have a 50mm that I want to take to 55mm but I’d like to avoid doing a rebleed if possible.
 
#635 ·
kai_ski said:
Did anyone try cutting the spacers? If so how did you do it? I have a 50mm that I want to take to 55mm but I’d like to avoid doing a rebleed if possible.
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Can confirm that for the Gen2 you can cut off the spacers, and they actually cut really easily with just wire cutters/diagonal pliers. I even left a small bit of space between where I was cutting and the center to avoid any chance of scratching the shaft, and they snapped right off.
 
#636 ·
Is the tune on Gen2 hella light or something? Been bracketing for a a few weeks now and can't find that controlled feel of the Gen1.

210-215lbs kitted
2021 Orbea Rise with Cascade link.
Packed full of spacers
More air/less sag than I'd like and less than I ran with gen1... 27% vs 30%
HSC fully closed.
LSC almost closed...4 from fully closed

Still managed to find hard bottom a few times on bigger jumps and drops which I never did before.

Feel like I'm missing something here or they made Gen 2 so different from Gen 1 that it now feels like a Fox/Marzochi. I actually have a Bomber air that I threw on while I waited for my Gen 1 and honestly it feels very similar to that shock.
 
#637 ·
GatorXman said:
Is the tune on Gen2 hella light or something? Been bracketing for a a few weeks now and can't find that controlled feel of the Gen1.

210-215lbs kitted
2021 Orbea Rise with Cascade link.
Packed full of spacers
More air/less sag than I'd like and less than I ran with gen1... 27% vs 30%
HSC fully closed.
LSC almost closed...4 from fully closed

Still managed to find hard bottom a few times on bigger jumps and drops which I never did before.

Feel like I'm missing something here or they made Gen 2 so different from Gen 1 that it now feels like a Fox/Marzochi. I actually have a Bomber air that I threw on while I waited for my Gen 1 and honestly it feels very similar to that shock.
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I run less HSC on my Gen2 vs my Gen1. One thing I'll say is that you will be running higher air pressure than you are used to. This isn't a bad or good, just different. I'd pay more attention to the sag than the psi, but since that is less than you'd prefer:

The leverage ratio chart on the Cascade website shows a higher than average starting ratio, but nothing too far out of the ordinary. What I would try next would be to remove 1 (or both) of the negative bands in the shock. This will allow you to run higher pressures with more sag. (I've seen reported issues with this on the inline, but have had no issues myself with the PB.)

You can also shoot Manitou a message and see what they recommend. They've always been responsive for me when I've asked in the past. They might also be able to send you more of the Thicc Spacers, they take up ~50% more volume than the two small spacers you'd replace.
 
#638 ·
GatorXman said:
Is the tune on Gen2 hella light or something? Been bracketing for a a few weeks now and can't find that controlled feel of the Gen1.

210-215lbs kitted
2021 Orbea Rise with Cascade link.
Packed full of spacers
More air/less sag than I'd like and less than I ran with gen1... 27% vs 30%
HSC fully closed.
LSC almost closed...4 from fully closed

Still managed to find hard bottom a few times on bigger jumps and drops which I never did before.

Feel like I'm missing something here or they made Gen 2 so different from Gen 1 that it now feels like a Fox/Marzochi. I actually have a Bomber air that I threw on while I waited for my Gen 1 and honestly it feels very similar to that shock.
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Make sure the ifp pressure is set correctly. It makes a difference, contrary to what the inevitable, subsequent, derping will claim.
 
#639 ·
Anyone have a squelching noise suddenly pop up on their Mara Pro PB? I added about 30 psi into it to mess with my sag a bit and now it's squelching when compressed more than 50%. I took all the air out, then reinflated, cycling through the travel every 75psi. Still occurring. Thoughts?
 
#640 ·
mmarkey said:
Anyone have a squelching noise suddenly pop up on their Mara Pro PB? I added about 30 psi into it to mess with my sag a bit and now it's squelching when compressed more than 50%. I took all the air out, then reinflated, cycling through the travel every 75psi. Still occurring. Thoughts?
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Not at more than 50%. I'll sometimes get the "pssst" of air equalizing through the balance groove, but not a "squelch". Is it damper noise?
 
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