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It appears that Sullivan Canyon has burned along with Mandeville/Westridge, Mullholland Dirt Road, and Will Rogers.

Anyone have any idea how long after the fires you should wait to ride? I don't want to go now or even this week, but are we talking a couple weeks, months, years?

Also, any idea who manages the trails out here? I'd love to volunteer and help clean up and create new trails where possible.
 
It appears that Sullivan Canyon has burned along with Mandeville/Westridge, Mullholland Dirt Road, and Will Rogers.

Anyone have any idea how long after the fires you should wait to ride? I don't want to go now or even this week, but are we talking a couple weeks, months, years?

Also, any idea who manages the trails out here? I'd love to volunteer and help clean up and create new trails where possible.
Bummer about dirt Mulholland, although I dislocated ribs the last time I rode up there.

I wouldn’t ride in a burned area until a couple of good rains had come and gone. I’m not particularly interested in sucking ash deep into my lungs.
 
The Line Fire that burned into Big Bear closed the forest for three months.

Trail damage to Skyline Trail was caused from both the fire and firefighting efforts. It was rather light and we were riding it around Christmas.

The fire flared back up over the weekend but was quickly extinguished. Five months later.
 
Maybe at least wait until the fires are out before asking about when is too soon to ride the trails? If it's still burning, it's definitely too early....


Not sure who does trailwork/advocacy outside of the San Gabriels. Maybe CORBA? They still exist but their website is a bit out of date. At the very least they will hopefully send updates if you sign up for their email list. https://corbamtb.com
 
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Maybe at least wait until the fires are out before asking about when is too soon to ride the trails? If it's still burning, it's definitely too early....


Not sure who does trailwork/advocacy outside of the San Gabriels. Maybe CORBA? They still exist but their website is a bit out of date. At the very least they will hopefully send updates if you sign up for their email list. https://corbamtb.com
I'm not trying to be inconsiderate to anyone who lost anything in these fires. But, if you read my post, I stated I'm not trying to go now..." I don't want to go now or even this week, but are we talking a couple weeks, months, years?"

This is my first fire so I'm just trying to get insight from folks who have seen these wildfires before. Thanks for the CORBA reference, I will check them out.
 
When the fire rolled through Mission trials in (2003 or 2007?) we stayed out for 6 months to let the land grow back a bit - I did ride in a burn area in Jamul many years ago off of proctor valley road and it does allow for new lines for sure - but that breathing the ash dust.. no thanks - we rode after a week or so of rain back then.
 
are we talking a couple weeks, months, years?"
It all depends....

Some of the foothills terrain just has brush burned off and the trails aren't really affected by the fire. There will be steeper terrain in places along with trees that will be more affected. So unless the area is closed you could realistically ride much of it soon after. I've ridden through (smaller) burn areas a day or two after.

Closures are anyone's guess. Given the size of the fire I'd expect some closures, but it could be a patchwork as the various open spaces around are managed by a bunch of different land managers. I'd hope any closures would just last a few weeks until hazards can be assessed and dealt with (ie burned trees) but some areas could be closed through spring to let some vegetation grow in to help prevent social trails or stabilize the soil. No reason to keep them closed longer than that.

It will be a lot worse for the Eaton Fire. The Angeles NF always has closures after fires because of the steep terrain and tree canopy. Some of those have gone for years since there can be damage not just from the fire but from storms that follow. It takes time for the slopes to stabilize which usually includes having vegetation grow back. And then the trails have to be rebuilt as well.

Mount Wilson Bicycling Association and Lowelifes Respectable Citizens Club are still working on trails burned in the 2020 Bobcat Fire. The ANF has slowly opened areas to the public as the trails get repaired. MWBA is still working on Valley Forge while Lowelifes have been working on Sturtevant and the Gabrielino between Sturtevant and Newcomb Pass. There will be more pressure to re-open trails on the front side. But where damage is severe it could take a long time.

We need rain but hopefully there are no heavy storms this winter. That is what did the most damage following the Station Fire in 2009. The Gabrielino Trail from Switzers down to JPL wasn't reopened until 2018. And Condor Peak in 2022. MWBA and Lowelifes are motivated and highly organized now, and won't let the trails languish for that long. Please support both groups! Trail days are rewarding and fun, and if you can't make it to those donations go a long way as well.
 
I guess I spoke too soon re: riding in the foothills. Just pulled up to the trailhead at Glendale Sports Complex and saw this.

I’m going frickin’ stir crazy!
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Where is this area? Is there a Strava or GPS route? Looking for some other areas to ride in the SFV area. Mainly beginner-ish to intermediate spots.

Thanks!
 
Where is this area? Is there a Strava or GPS route? Looking for some other areas to ride in the SFV area. Mainly beginner-ish to intermediate spots.

Thanks!
I’m pretty sure the location is in my post – it’s the Glendale sports complex. You can find it on Trailforks, MTB project, etc.

At the top of the climb, it connects to a small trail system called Cherry Canyon. The whole area is mostly blue. Be on the lookout for big ass ruts. There’s also some exposure.
 
Colorado checking in, thinking of everyone out there. Wildfires and their affects are devastating and I am truly sorry for everything you all are going through.

Had multiple fires burn significant trails and forest around my house in 2020 and following years (last one came within about 6 miles this past year). My recommendations is to assume you won't be riding anywhere that burned for a few months. Pay attention to local forest service and parks department updates but you do not want to be anywhere near where you'll be breathing in ash or the fire retardant. It's not worth it. For trail work, same thing applies. They won't be working there until conditions are safe. Someone mentioned waiting for some rain storms, I would fully agree with this. Wait those areas get some good soaking rain and see what mud/debris slides happen. Highly doubt any trail work happens until then

For reference, some of our forest lands are still closed from the Cameron Peak fire in 2020, even the open ones are still quite dangerous due to flash flooding and debris slides when the spring/summer storms roll through.
 
Fire in Ventura now.
My Gramparents place was in Oak View. Got sold for parts after they died. Against their wishes.

Twas up by the botanical overlook in Ventura, 2016, where I started to really wonder about conscious reality manipulation. Started spelling disaster. I could feel it wanting to be spelled. Luckily, I was with an Other, and she pulled me out of the lull. Wave woulda flooded the 126 and ida been stuck in the soup with all the humans.

"ilmfat, you wacko. You really are delusional. What kinda megalomaniac thinks they can call in a tsunami?"

Should I just to prove I can?

And weren't you listening?

I wouldn't have called in a city flooder.

That wave was calling me.

I digress.

What's left of my heart goes out to those impacted.
 
Colorado checking in, thinking of everyone out there. Wildfires and their affects are devastating and I am truly sorry for everything you all are going through.

Had multiple fires burn significant trails and forest around my house in 2020 and following years (last one came within about 6 miles this past year). My recommendations is to assume you won't be riding anywhere that burned for a few months. Pay attention to local forest service and parks department updates but you do not want to be anywhere near where you'll be breathing in ash or the fire retardant. It's not worth it. For trail work, same thing applies. They won't be working there until conditions are safe. Someone mentioned waiting for some rain storms, I would fully agree with this. Wait those areas get some good soaking rain and see what mud/debris slides happen. Highly doubt any trail work happens until then

For reference, some of our forest lands are still closed from the Cameron Peak fire in 2020, even the open ones are still quite dangerous due to flash flooding and debris slides when the spring/summer storms roll through.
As mentioned above, some of our local forest is still closed from fires back in 2020. This is due, in part, to hazardous conditions including standing dead trees that could easily topple and massive erosion from post-fire rainstorms that completely wiped away trails. Our local IMBA affiliate has been working with the USFS, the National Forest Foundation, Colorado Parks and Wildlife, and a local moto group to get grants for trail repair, rebuilding, and re-opening, but it has been a long process.
One trail that was closed in the 2012 High Park Fire was reopened a year after that fire and then promptly washed away 2 days later. The re-opening then took nearly 8 years since the trail needed to be completely rebuilt with the USFS budget and timeline.
 
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