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I was worried for a second that progress would be made in Marin.

Happy to have been proven wrong. The anti-bike community seems to be extremely well organized and knows just how to maneuver to always be ahead.

Good to know that the same rules still continue to apply.

Ride what you want. Deal with the consequences.
Unfortunately, this. As it has always been, as it will always be. So it goes.
 
For the record, I'm not anti horse. Where I go riding, I'm extremely lucky if I ever see one. In the last 10 years, I can only think of 3 or 4, 3 of which were riding together in a group. On a dirt, bulldozed 4WD track. Plenty of room to avoid each other, the ladies riding them were very polite & friendly, zero issue. The other time, the horse was pretty nervous & agitated looking. I stopped, waited for it to pass, & carried on. Not keen on getting a good swift kick from a walking 500kg bag of dog food.
I see it like this. Like dogs, if they're unsuitable or dangerous to be around strangers, they shouldn't be around them. Simple as that. Keep them where they belong, away from people. And don't be selfish. Nature doesn't belong to just you, and your 4 legged trail wrecker.
I’ve had only good experiences with equestrians, though south side of Tam to GGB is where I do 90% of my riding, zilch in MMWD areas since I went eMTB a few years ago. On Diaz, Middle Green Gulch, and on the fire roads, I always stop and they always say no worries (on the wide fireroads) and are thankful for my stopping on the single track.

It’s a subset of hikers that I find unfriendly. And then there are the ones with the earpods in and noise cancellation on and they cant hear my bell nor when I’m literally screaming at them for their attention.
 
I really appreciate the hard work that went into the pilot trail program.

A bunch of folks worked hard on those trails to get them ready, trimming back the brush etc.

The Liberty Gulch Trail from the Alpine Lake up towards Pine Mountain should be open, uh, soon.
Good that you don't have to take the road up from Alpine Lake to Pine Mountain anymore.

Some of the pilot trails were "okay" (Pumpkin Ridge) but most seem like logical connectors just to keep you off the paved road for a while, Arturo and Lake View Trail. They really are not great trails, like Northside.

I hope we might prevail in time but it might take a few years like the stoopid Bob Middaugh (.25 mile) trail in Mill Valley.
I use the Bob Middaugh trail for over 30 years on my commute and only saw three horses, doh!

By the way I've been riding my e-bike up on water district land for over 2 years without any issues. (jinx!)

Big "group ride" planned for 12:00 pm Tomorrow November 2nd Starting at east peak mountain Mt. Tam.
 
If the board really wanted to resolve this, they would close those trails to everyone pending resolution.
Or, as i suggested earlier, the Board could just announce that since they have to unexpectedly use funds on lawyers, that they will no longer be patrolling, enforcing closures or issuing citations on these trails.
A de facto opening and a big middle finger to those engaged in lawfare.
 
Exactly, on Planet Marin .....

I ex-patriated from NorCal to Denmark a few years ago, and here equestrians / bike riders share everything equally....there are no attitudes; there is no 'pecking order' of horse on some higher pedestal than anyone else. I constantly ride by horses all over the country and never had a bad encounter; just a pleasant "har en god tur' (have a good trip / ride); followed by a 'i lige molle' (same to you). The horses here are neither nervous, nor unpredictable etc. etc. And each time I have such nice encounter (every time) I just shake my head and wonder what makes Marin, or California, equestrians so vastly different.

Sorry you dudes are dealing with this crap...still. Fingers crossed it all works out finally!
sounds like Annadel
 
Exactly, on Planet Marin .....

I ex-patriated from NorCal to Denmark a few years ago, and here equestrians / bike riders share everything equally....there are no attitudes; there is no 'pecking order' of horse on some higher pedestal than anyone else. I constantly ride by horses all over the country and never had a bad encounter; just a pleasant "har en god tur' (have a good trip / ride); followed by a 'i lige molle' (same to you). The horses here are neither nervous, nor unpredictable etc. etc. And each time I have such nice encounter (every time) I just shake my head and wonder what makes Marin, or California, equestrians so vastly different.
Animals often pick up on the owners' attitudes and emotions. The dog of a perpetually nervous person will generally be nervous itself, for example.
 
Discussion starter · #176 ·
Animals often pick up on the owners' attitudes and emotions. The dog of a perpetually nervous person will generally be nervous itself, for example.
100% this. Like dogs, horses are highly attuned to their owners subtle actions - facial expression, muscle tension, pheromones, etc. Google “Clever Hans” for an amazing example of this.

The Marin horse people who are afraid of bikes are confused about where the fear is coming from.

On top of that, Linda Novy et al do not speak for all horse riders, not by a long shot. They are few in number but even amongst that group, there isn’t universal agreement in the way that Linda implies it. She speaks only for herself and her peculiar need to control everything that happens in Cascade Canyon where she lives.

This is why you merely need to drive an hour north to Annadel, one county up from Marin, where all these existential issues suddenly disappear.
 
I was worried for a second that progress would be made in Marin.

Happy to have been proven wrong. The anti-bike community seems to be extremely well organized and knows just how to maneuver to always be ahead.

Good to know that the same rules still continue to apply.

Ride what you want. Deal with the consequences.
I came here to say this. It’s a solid drive but if any of you want to visit and ride some of the very best trails in the US without any consequences, feel free to stop by.
 
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