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The bottom line: There are miles long forum threads full of people disappointed with the performance of their forks, and quite desperately discussing the, frankly ridiculous, yearly upgrades from RS/Fox, and the whole cottage industry dedicated to fork "tuning". The Formula Selva R puts everything at your fingertips at a fraction of the costs and hassles involved with upgrades. You can simply tune it to perfection, and change the fork depending on the terrain (e.g. trail riding vs bike-park), with few minutes fidgeting in your garage.

The longer story: After about 3 years on a DVO Diamond I was getting tired with its never ending strange problems with the OTT. The fork worked great, after I re-shimmed it, but the OTT has this tendency to suck down the stanchions and leave the fork with no small bump compliance. I was running it at 170 in the last six months but, with OTT engaged just 4-5 turns, the stanchions measured 145/150 at rest:eek:

So after eying longingly the Intend Hero, I bought a Formula Selva R, installed it, and ... after a week of use I am kind of blown away: this is just a great fork.

I bought it because of the adjustability, and it is delivering in spades. It is very easy to set up. Suggested pressures are spot on to begin with. Pump first the main chamber, second the bottom (negative spring) and go ride. Then you play with +- 5/10 psi in the negative air spring, adjusting the small bump compliance. Being able to tune that is a godsend if small bump compliance is important to you, and, unlike DVO OTT, even putting in the max +30 psi with respect to the main does not suck down the stanchions.

Done that, you can play with the CTS. I just tried the two CTS that come with the fork. The CTS come in two families, the specials (with a concave dumping curve) and the regulars (with a bi-linear one). I just tried the two that come with the fork, soft-special and blue-regular, the blue my current favorite. At my weight, 154 pounds, I am going to order the regular-soft and special-ultra-soft to experiment. The beauty of it is that it takes literally minutes to change a CTS, compared to hours to re-shim (if you can), or weeks, and $$$, sending the fork somewhere to be "tuned" or re-valved, and hope for the best.

As is the fork rides great, hugging the terrain, high on his travel, giving a very controlled and ultra-smooth ride.

Frankly it is hard to understand why this fork, that came out in 2018, is not first in the list for many of us. Compared to the good-luck-to-you-deal-with-what-you-get Fox/RS/Manitou this is a massive improvement. In decades of riding I have never been able to find a fork that worked well out of the box. Some, RS Pike and now DVO due to its OTT troubles, never delivered, even after the mods.

It comes with a lot of goodies, including the oils needed for rebuild, the CTS and top cups tools, two cts, a neopos (pre-installed), a good pump, (although I am using my digital), travel reducer spacers, and it looks great on my HD3. This is the 29" version, measuring 167/168 mm of travel out of the box.

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Frankly it is hard to understand why this fork, that came out in 2018, is not first in the list for many of us.
I suspect in big part, it's because of the same reason that 2 reviewers, after reviewing many other brakes, some better by their admittance, said in the end that they'll get back to what they were used to:

OEM power of big brands (& getting people used to their products)
 
I suspect in big part, it's because of the same reason that 2 reviewers, after reviewing many other brakes, some better by their admittance, said in the end that they'll get back to what they were used to:

OEM power of big brands (& getting people used to their products)
Nah I think the bigger issue is that they don't have any distribution pretense in the USA. I bet in the German/French/Italian/etc language equivalent of MTBR there's tons of people owning and talking about them. I'd love to try one of these or a Nero on my DH bike but having to order one from a euro store and having to wait on order from a euro store to get spare parts if something breaks is a major turnoff for me.
 
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Nah I think the bigger issue is that they don't have any distribution pretense in the USA. I bet in the German/French/Italian/etc language equivalent of MTBR there's tons of people owning and talking about them. I'd love to try one of these or a Nero on my DH bike but having to order one from a euro store and having to wait on order from a euro store to get spare parts if something breaks is a major turnoff for me.
Yes, I think distribution is the problem. Shipment from Germany ( starbike) was 1 week DHL, and the fork was ‘cheap’ at $935 with shipment. You can get spares in the USA and Canada, but I am ordering the two extra CTS from r2-bikes, again in Germany. bit of longer shipment does beat starting yet another rabbit hole with a RS/Fox/Manitou.
 
They are kind of niche, no obvious US distributor (Alba in Canada though), not something you see a ton of out and about so one has to be willing to go off the beaten Rockshox/Fox path and then discover Formula among other options out there.

Formula does have quite a bit of info on their Youtube:


I have run Selva in all three flavors - S (single air), R (dual air), and C (coil) and it is pretty neat that you can change between them pretty easily, they are easy to work on, and with the CTS/Neopos you can tinker and tune to your heart's content.

Very little to not like in my experience with Selva forks across several different frames to be honest.

Formula is very much like a band that doesn't get lots of fanfare/press but once you stumble upon it you are like 'nice, why don't more people listen to this?'.
 
Nah I think the bigger issue is that they don't have any distribution pretense in the USA. I bet in the German/French/Italian/etc language equivalent of MTBR there's tons of people owning and talking about them. I'd love to try one of these or a Nero on my DH bike but having to order one from a euro store and having to wait on order from a euro store to get spare parts if something breaks is a major turnoff for me.
I can see how that might be an issue over the pond.

I live in "Eurp", near a bike park area with trails, shuttle service etc. and can't remember when/if I saw a Formula fork. Ordering them is not an issue. I did see a couple of their brakes along the years.

Do you think it's a distribution problem here as well? :)
 
I usually research a product to the point of nausea but there just isn’t a lot of information on their products. I was specifically trying to find out about travel changes and hit a wall.
Did you check their YoutTube channel? Loads of good info there. And the travel change is literally in the owners manual step by step... and is the simplest ever. No different piston/shaft assemblies required etc...

All Selva's are easy to work on (both servicing and fine tuning) and minimal tools required that you wouldn't have already. I currently have a Selva S and it is one of the best forks I have ever had. Small bump is amazing, great mid stroke support and plenty stiff for my 90kg even in the 35mm chasis. I love how Formula have a 10yr support promise for all spare parts of their products available since 2017. This is something that we rarely see in the bike industry and shows how much they stand behind their products and sustainability.
 
They are really good forks but not still perfect. I have been riding my Selva C since early June and I found out that they do like fresh lower leg oil and lubed foam rings in hot and cold temperatures. I have SKF seals on the way, lets see if they help with this.

Also supplied lubricant oil does not like below freezing conditions but it is really easy fork to service and it doesn’t use silly crush washers on bolts.
 
I have time on Selva, RFX36 EVO and m.2, and Mezzer - all 27.5, different frames from Evil Insurgent, Knolly Warden, Transition Patrol, Pivot Firebird, etc.

Mezzer is the stiffest chassis (in a good way), RFX and Selva aren't noodles but not quite as stiff.

Ohlins and Mezzer air are pretty similar feeling with the RFX having a wider tolerance for pressure changes impacting the ride.

Mezzer and Ohlins can be tuned (Shockcraft or Rulezman and a number of shops for Ohlins), CTS gives you tuning ability at home but you do have to know kind of what you want there but that is true of any fork or shock really.

Ohlins has limited ability to be worked on at home where Selva and Mezzer are easy to work on and maintain.

Travel change on Mezzer is 140-180mm via an air spring set of clips/spacers, Selva is similar but they go up to 160mm and then an extended 170/180mm option which is a different set of lowers so that can be a bummer if you want to go from 160mm to 170mm, Ohlins uses an air spring cartridge to change travel which is a bit more spendy than Mezzer way of doing it but less than a new fork like Selva.

Ride wise they end up being pretty similar in many ways - supportive, good mid-valve, Mezzer and Ohlins have air ramp chamber, CTS can get you a similar feel, Mezzer has an HBO which can be very handy.

If coil is desired Ohlins and Selva can do that, Mezzer doesn't easily have an option there, Ohlins and Selva can go back to air from being a coil which is cool.

I don't love the Selva axle, found it to be a bit soft over time at the interface with the removeable QR handle.

To be honest, if I had a single frame and some generous benefactor was going to send me one of those as a mystery fork to use I wouldn't be bummed or sad about any of them.

Very much a matter of balancing out what one wants, what one needs, but they are more similar in many ways than different.

If you like to tinker then Mezzer and Selva are for you. If you like to get setup and ride any of them will also do that once you get to where you are happy.

One thing that is a bit curious about the Selva is no HSC and the Ohlins has the 3-position HSC. Both work well but because they don't give you much configuration there you could end up wanting more although give me fewer settings that are meaningful than 4,080 clicks that you can't tell the difference between when riding.

I'm in central Arizona so rocky AF, lots of up, lots of down, usually all mixed together so transitions in the suspension are important, 190 pounds. As a rider I like chunky stuff, I live hauling the mail down, not a hucker, more of a trying to be smooth but not afraid to encounter and ride janky stuff.

YMMV depending on where you ride, how you ride, etc.
 
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Any comparisons between good forks like Ohlins or Manitou?
It's difficult to compare.

On one side (Formula) you have positive AND negative chambers; compression and rebound dials; neopos (the high-tech version of volume spacers); 8 CTS (each one a different valving). If you really want you can even re-shim a CTS (a trivial operation with the CTS out of the fork.)

On the other side (everybody else) you have at most low/high compression/rebound, and maybe volume spacers.

It's apples and oranges. Or better: many apples to an orange.

When it comes to stiffness, I am not sure how exactly people measure that, and I always suspect that people tilt toward bigger-is-better. At my weight I cannot detect any difference with the burly looking DVO Diamond or a Fox 36. Formula uses the same chassis for the Josh Bryceland edition (with yet another CTS ... that ramps up more because ... he does put the fork through a lot!) NSMB.com - Formula Selva S Josh Bryceland Signature Edition and for the Belva dual crown.
 
Did you check their YoutTube channel? Loads of good info there. And the travel change is literally in the owners manual step by step... and is the simplest ever. No different piston/shaft assemblies required etc...

All Selva's are easy to work on (both servicing and fine tuning) and minimal tools required that you wouldn't have already. I currently have a Selva S and it is one of the best forks I have ever had. Small bump is amazing, great mid stroke support and plenty stiff for my 90kg even in the 35mm chasis. I love how Formula have a 10yr support promise for all spare parts of their products available since 2017. This is something that we rarely see in the bike industry and shows how much they stand behind their products and sustainability.
I should have been more specific I was looking @ a Selva C. It was being sold in a 170mm configuration and I wanted to see what was involved going to 160mm.
 
I should have been more specific I was looking @ a Selva C. It was being sold in a 170mm configuration and I wanted to see what was involved going to 160mm.
Lowering Selva C is discussed either somewhere here in this forum or at Ponkbike forums - I recall that it involved creating custom spacers but was no big task. Sorry for vague post.
 
Si!

I actually preferred it over the air versions, not because those aren't good, just coil is pretty straightforward to setup and go ride.

Pretty hard to beat a coil and goofing around with the CTS can get you some end of stroke compression ramp which is pretty nifty.

IIRC I was running the silver/desert CTS with coil, for the records Push and Ohlins coil springs fit in the Selva...the Ohlins variety are less expensive and can be easier to find.
 
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Has anyone tried out the selva C?
I used coil with my Romic shock and Fox Vanilla, back early 2000 with a Turner 5-spot, and the Pike fork with a push conversion with my Mojo classic. After those experiences I have the impression that coil limits a bit your range of adjustment. From what I have seen until now, after seven rides the fork is not even really broke-in, the Selva R is up there in terms of small bump compliance and hugging the terrain. But the beauty of the formula platform is that one could convert to coil, and then go back to air by switching the air chamber to the right leg. pretty cool … and silentG is probably right: the CTS open a whole new tuning possibility to a coil set up.
 
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Here my new CRTs. The violet (special, concave ultra-soft) and the silver (bi-linear, convex, soft). As expected at my weight (154 lbs/70 Kg), the standard gold (special, concave soft) and blue (bi-linear, convex, medium) work very well but ramp up too much.

The violet seems to be my current favorite, bit more support at low speed than the silver but very open at high speed, and it puts me right in the middle of the rebound and compression dials, which is great.

We'll see ... but this frankly is great. The beauty, besides the fact that you can change your set up profoundly in just 5', is how precisely you can dial the fork. It is the first one in 35 years which puts the elusive perfection at my finger tips.

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So after eying longingly the Intend Hero, I bought a Formula Selva R, installed it, and ... after a week of use I am kind of blown away: this is just a great fork.
So you've had the fork for one week and declared all the bigger brands a travesty to suspension design:ROFLMAO:

I agree the industry definitely can still make improvements to the reliability, simplicity, and service cost of suspension. But even the "best" models still get complaints from suspension nerds...and other people insist you have to buy something boutique (Push, MRP, EXT, Avalanche) to have the bees knees. I always wonder if I spend $1500 on a shock...will a company like EXT still have parts to service it in 5 years...and how much did it cost me to maintain an expensive shock over 5 years??? $200/year...$1000 just to keep a single part going!?? There's no other part on our bikes that can eat up so much maintenance over time....and it isn't unique to any brand. I'd love a fork I could ride 3000 miles without service and it still function like new.
 
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