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This summer I'm starting to see teenagers (all boys, FWIW) riding throttle e-bikes on the road. And when i say 'on the road', I mean in the middle of the road as if they were riding a motorcycle. Except I'm sure the riders don't have a driver's license, nor are the e-bikes registered (definitely no license plates on the bikes)

What are these kids' parents thinking? Will they be suing the e-bike companies when their kids get run over by a car or truck? I guess natural selection is still a thing.
 
This summer I'm starting to see teenagers (all boys, FWIW) riding throttle e-bikes on the road. And when i say 'on the road', I mean in the middle of the road as if they were riding a motorcycle. Except I'm sure the riders don't have a driver's license, nor are the e-bikes registered (definitely no license plates on the bikes)

What are these kids' parents thinking? Will they be suing the e-bike companies when their kids get run over by a car or truck? I guess natural selection is still a thing.
This is a question I have been wondering myself. The darn things are taking over our trails. I see them here regularly now and I also see them riding around in town, one guy does block long wheelies on his. It's middle school and high school kids. And the fargin' burn-out holes they love to leave behind are really pissing me off.

IMO, they are electric parasites.
 
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This is a question I have been wondering myself. The darn things are taking over our trails. I see them here regularly now and I also see them riding around in town, one guy does block long wheelies on his. It's middle school and high school kids. And the fargin' burn-out holes they love to leave behind are really pissing me off.

IMO, they are electric parasites.
Yeah, that too. That's when you'll see me shaking my fist at the darn kids! 🤣
 
This summer I'm starting to see teenagers (all boys, FWIW) riding throttle e-bikes on the road. And when i say 'on the road', I mean in the middle of the road as if they were riding a motorcycle. Except I'm sure the riders don't have a driver's license, nor are the e-bikes registered (definitely no license plates on the bikes)

What are these kids' parents thinking? Will they be suing the e-bike companies when their kids get run over by a car or truck? I guess natural selection is still a thing.
You answered it yourself. It's a form of mobility that doesn't need registration, license, pocket money to refuel, etc. that can cover a lot of distance quickly.

Kids are raring to exercise their freedom. I'm in the US Army and see how the young recruits have very restricted freedom and can't wait to get even a small fraction of it back as they qualify for "phase-ups". They look forward to getting any sort of assignment that has the opportunity to let them go free, disliking the safe training environment. In other words, they will happily forsake safety for the taste of freedom that has been kept away from them for so long. They typically seek to splurge on something newer and more exciting (more extreme than anything they've previously experienced) to overcompensate for a need to release a lot of pent-up negative feelings.

They're safer on those than a regular bicycle. If they are traveling closer to the speed limit, they shouldn't need to ride to the right; only road users greatly exceeding the limit would be over-taking them. Fatalities from car collisions are HOMICIDE and shouldn't be considered natural selection; if they die, I hope their deaths will not be in vain, helping to highlight a need to address how vehicles of much greater kinetic energy (greater mass and/or velocity) bully out the smaller more vulnerable users, not too unlike how bikers and hikers feel threatened by emtbs (except cars dish out the majority of violence, while the emtbers are on the receiving end of much of the abuse/threats). Expecting them to get a car is akin to an emtbs expecting others to see the light of emtbs, or whatever self-centered bias you have that you want to impart on others.

In the end, it's a public sharing issue again, which originates from selfish people's frustration of having their desired line and pace being disrupted by other users/traffic. People like OP are like Karens, wanting to assert their greater rights (right to complain about others) through paying more into related systems, wanting to be recognized as having more seniority/value, and/or perhaps having authoritative connections that might listen to them if they cried pitifully enough, etc. How about recognizing that you should stop being a b!tch, stop focusing on low-tier sh!t, and stop expecting respect after having such a condescending attitude towards sharing public spaces with other people. Being bad at sharing public spaces is a personal issue until the infrastructure is updated, and it doesn't help that people keep investing resources to conserve outdated designs.
 
Middle of the road? What's the problem, they aren't on the trails!
My point is, they arent street legal. No lights on them so they shouldnt even be on the road. I am seeing them on our fire roads and singletrack. Motorized vehicles are prohibited on dirt in Los Angeles County. Strike three, they're OUT!
 
When I was 12 I had a KX 80 that I rode wherever I wanted. It was a different time though. My brother had one too. Once we ran from the cops but we weren't getting away from the helicopter. They didn't take our bikes but they roughed us up good. Especially my brother with a mouth.
 
Our society has devolved to the degree that we now have multiple generations of parents who have not been taught and can not teach that common courtesy and obeying laws are critical components to having a civilized society. Too many children have no concept that there are negative consequences for disobeying societal norms and laws and too many parents who will enable bad behavior and blindly defend their unruly children.

The real problem is that those of us who still follow rules and consider the rights of others in determining our behaviors are now being overrun by the increasing number of ignorant people who mistakenly believe they have the right to do whatever they want regardless of the impact of their behaviors on others.

We've crossed over the line and it's never going to get better because too many young people have no concept that in order to get respect you must give respect.
 
Our society has devolved to the degree that we now have multiple generations of parents who have not been taught and can not teach that common courtesy and obeying laws are critical components to having a civilized society. Too many children have no concept that there are negative consequences for disobeying societal norms and laws and too many parents who will enable bad behavior and blindly defend their unruly children.

The real problem is that those of us who still follow rules and consider the rights of others in determining our behaviors are now being overrun by the increasing number of ignorant people who mistakenly believe they have the right to do whatever they want regardless of the impact of their behaviors on others.

We've crossed over the line and it's never going to get better because too many young people have no concept that in order to get respect you must give respect.
The meteor will get here eventually.
 
When I was a kid in the 80s, lots of other kids had dirt bikes, minibikes, three-wheelers and quads and they rode them all over in western PA, in the woods, fields, on the roads. Not us though, we were poor so I had a 70s (60s maybe?) banana seat bike with a squared off rear tire and coaster brake that mostly worked when I wasn't busy taking it apart for no reason. Most of the summer was spent pulling rocks and weeds out of the garden anyway, or at least it seemed that way at the time.

We've crossed over the line and it's never going to get better because too many young people have no concept that in order to get respect you must give respect.
You know that applies to many boomers too, the original "me generation". Probably more of an American people thing than a young people thing.
 
When I was a kid in the 80s, lots of other kids had dirt bikes, minibikes, three-wheelers and quads and they rode them all over in western PA, in the woods, fields, on the roads. Not us though, we were poor so I had a 70s (60s maybe?) banana seat bike with a squared off rear tire and coaster brake that mostly worked when I wasn't busy taking it apart for no reason. Most of the summer was spent pulling rocks and weeds out of the garden anyway, or at least it seemed that way at the time.



You know that applies to many boomers too, the original "me generation". Probably more of an American people thing than a young people thing.
I remember riding two stroke trail bikes and mini bikes up and down our suburban streets with reckless abandon circa 1980. Any “old” who complained had their house targeted for egging or TP.

‘Twas ever thus…
 
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