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My road tubeless was giving me guff. Finally just leaking too much from around valve stem. Didn’t want to pay the enve tax for their special tape so ordered 55 meters of tesa 4298 - for $13.

Removed tire yesterday to see it was previous owners gorilla tape job, the tape had delaminated a tube in the overlap for 16 inches up to the valve stem. Ok, so problem explained.

Applied the 4298, it is quite strong I had to give it my all to have it conform to rim. I did 2 extra spokes of overlap across the valve stem. Yield strength of over 200lbs means my little twiggy arms can’t break it. Because I was stretching it so tight I was able to lay it very precisely. With Stan’s and wtb it would have overstretched and torn. It seems like the same stuff as enve although they claim a silicon adhesive?

Tire seated very easily. Stuff is slick.

Liked it so much I also used it for two newly restrung mtb wheels. Same deal really easy to apply.

Perhaps the best thing about it is the freedom of plenty. $0.80 for a wheels worth of tape means I don’t need to be precious with it. If I screw up there’s a whole giant roll to pull from, which I think makes me less like.y to screw up. Enve wanted $25 for 3 wheels worth.

Tesa makes a bajillion different tapes. I used 4298, others advocate for 4289 which is thicker and stronger. Both are polypropylene with natural rubber adhesive.

Hope this helps, I’m glad to be free of the bike specific tape that’s $5/wheel.

And anyone that likes gorilla tape for tubeless? Sure it works for a while but the adhesive balls up and hardens into a mess. Plus it’s actually expensive. I love gorilla tape for important stuff like keeping my suitcase closed and fixing plumbing leaks. :)
 
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I've been using 3M 8896 which I believe is similar to the Tesa. It's been working great. It also doesn't leave much residue when removed, and a little alcohol cleans that up.
 
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looks like good stuff. What width did you get?
i ordered 25mm because thats what enve specified.

i used it on the i24 wtb rims because… i wanted to see what would happen. It looks like its going to be fine.

both of my rims are hooked.


Guerilla tape lasts longer than the wheel is dead simple to install and cheap enough, but it’s not light, just about anything else would save 50 grams
ok so… i think of guerilla i think of thick black fiber reinforced stuff. It is thick, heavy, and not cheap. And has gummy adgesive that makes a mess and hardens to be brittle. It doesnt last forever as tubeless tape.

[edit: looked up the price its $12 for 35 yards on amazon, so im wrong it is cheap, not sure why i thought it was expensive.]

guerilla brand makes a bunch of other tapes too, some are thick clear plastic, some have stranded reinforcement.

which of these guerilla tapes are you advocating for?
 
i ordered 25mm because thats what enve specified.

i used it on the i24 wtb rims because… i wanted to see what would happen. It looks like its going to be fine.

both of my rims are hooked.




ok so… i think of guerilla i think of thick black fiber reinforced stuff. It is thick, heavy, and not cheap. And has gummy adgesive that makes a mess and hardens to be brittle. It doesnt last forever as tubeless tape.

[edit: looked up the price its $12 for 35 yards on amazon, so im wrong it is cheap, not sure why i thought it was expensive.]

guerilla brand makes a bunch of other tapes too, some are thick clear plastic, some have stranded reinforcement.

which of these guerilla tapes are you advocating for?
The standard guerrilla with strand reinforcement. It has always lasted the life of a wheel for me and acetone will remove the sticky after removing the tape. 25mm wide guerrilla tape is what enve uses in their kits (literally a geurilla tape roll in the kit) and they are not a cheapo brand. Plus I can pick it up locally. I actually buy the wide rolls and just cut the end and it unravels in a narrow strip

like I said it’s not as light, but it has never failed me

They now have branded rolls of the same tape, but this is an old product pic
 

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The standard guerrilla with strand reinforcement. It has always lasted the life of a wheel for me and acetone will remove the sticky after removing the tape. 25mm wide guerrilla tape is what enve uses in their kits (literally a geurilla tape roll in the kit) and they are not a cheapo brand. Plus I can pick it up locally. I actually buy the wide rolls and just cut the end and it unravels in a narrow strip

like I said it’s not as light, but it has never failed me

They now have branded rolls of the same tape, but this is an old product pic
i ordered the correct enve tape for my road wheels and it was tensilized polypropylene, same exact as the 4298 - only diff i can see is they claim to use a silicone advesive. I cant tell the difference with my hands.

I gave up on guerilla it seems to fail for me in 3 years or so, or im replacing a spoke. The old hardened stuff is a royal pain to get off. 35 minutes per wheel scraping it out and im sensitive to chemicals.
 
The enve road and ever mtb tape are different, likely due to more weight concerns on road bikes. That pic is from their website

I like the stuff you’re using, and think you’ve found a similar product if not the same as what is being rebranded as bike parts with a huge markup. $30 a rim in some cases for tape that costs $5 a 30m roll is crazy. So giving people cheap alternatives is awesome

i would say 3 years is the life of a wheel for me. That’s 3 sets of bearings and about as long as aluminum nipple last before galvanic corrosion causes them to pop, and by that point the rim hook on aluminum has multiple dent repairs and I think carbon would be sus after 3 years of regular use
 
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Do you know if it’s like the WTB branded rim tape?
The wtb mtb tape i have used was flesh colored. It was thicker and had a coated feeling to it. The wtb also seemed more difficult to lay down, less stretch? it was more prone to bubbles and was crinkly-er.
 
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The wtb mtb tape i have used was flesh colored. It was thicker and had a coated feeling to it. The wtb also seemed more difficult to lay down, less stretch? it was more prone to bubbles and was crinkly-er.
Thanks. They must have changed it. Tthe stuff they have now is yellow and kinda glossy, maybe that's the "coated feeling." But the reason I was asking is it's worked well for me in the past, only I'm sure it's just some other company's tape with WTB's logo on it and an upcharge, so I'm trying to figure out what they use so I can buy the cheaper unbranded version.
 
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Thanks. They must have changed it. Tthe stuff they have now is yellow and kinda glossy, maybe that's the "coated feeling." But the reason I was asking is it's worked well for me in the past, only I'm sure it's just some other company's tape with WTB's logo on it and an uncharge, so I'm trying to figure out what they use so I can buy the cheaper unbranded version.
The wtb goes on more like box tape. This new stuff has a bit of stretch, for example it doesnt shatter and make a running break when you make the valve hole. My only reservation is ive not used it for years and seen that the adhesive sticks.
 
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The advantage to gorilla:
-Durable
-Easy to install

The advantage to Tesa
-Lighter, it sucks to engineer every gram out of a rim, then just throw 20-30g of tape on it.
-Doesn’t allow leak through like Gorilla tape, sealant lasts longer

Gorilla tape also adds a bit to the bead seat diameter if you’re fitting loose tires.

Tesa is the way to go if you’ve got the install process dialed. ENVE likely selects different tape for different rims because of user preferences by product usage.
 
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