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How is the frame weight in these?

Curious if they are any lighter than the Chilcotin? Like built with a more trail orientated tube-set for example?

Trying to work out if a Fugitive 140 vs a Chilcotin 155 with identical build sets would be the same weight and ride similarly? The Chili being just a little more plush and likely to bob a little more climbing?

I’m off my bike with a shoulder injury at the moment and dreaming of a new ride for once I’m done with rehab. Would love to demo, but impossible in my part of the world.
 
As Noel has alluded to elsewhere the fugitive is designed to go up / across & down whereas the chilly is oriented towards up & down. I own both and previously switched fork and wheelset over to the chilly to attempt what you describe. To be honest I probably saved a couple pounds (38/36) and double down + cushcore vs Exo + but it didn't really match the efficient feeling of pedaling the fugitive. It just has a little snap that wasn't there. When I threw everything back after my experiment the chilly also felt exactly the same even though it was back to being a more dedicated "steep and deep" bike. It still pedals great and although I don't ride it as much (I ride from home most days and the fugi is the go to) - when I do get the opportunity, I love it.

Don't get me wrong, you could definitely do it, and the "chilly light" would be bad ass but I would say it would be dictated by your terrain and riding style/ opportunities.
 
As Noel has alluded to elsewhere the fugitive is designed to go up / across & down whereas the chilly is oriented towards up & down. I own both and previously switched fork and wheelset over to the chilly to attempt what you describe. To be honest I probably saved a couple pounds (38/36) and double down + cushcore vs Exo + but it didn't really match the efficient feeling of pedaling the fugitive. It just has a little snap that wasn't there. When I threw everything back after my experiment the chilly also felt exactly the same even though it was back to being a more dedicated "steep and deep" bike. It still pedals great and although I don't ride it as much (I ride from home most days and the fugi is the go to) - when I do get the opportunity, I love it.

Don't get me wrong, you could definitely do it, and the "chilly light" would be bad ass but I would say it would be dictated by your terrain and riding style/ opportunities.
Thanks I read that too. I think I’ll probably end up with a Fugitive. It would be nice to have some data on weight. I’m really hanging out for first reviews / ride reports to come out
 
Thanks I read that too. I think I’ll probably end up with a Fugitive. It would be nice to have some data on weight. I’m really hanging out for first reviews / ride reports to come out
Weight is similar to the outgoing Fugitive model: might be 50g heavier due to the increased mass of the one piece shock link, but otherwise, the Gen 5 and Gen 6 Fugitives are pretty much identical in weight.
 
One thing to keep in mind is the Fugitive really punches above it's weight/travel. It's way more capable than most trail bikes. It's not going to compete with a chilcotin on the downhills, but it's not likely to hold you back much either.
So true!! I rode some insane trails with the builders in Squamish last year and felt really under gunned on the fugitive but it wasn't so much the bike as the fork. The locals I was riding with all had big bikes with 38's and Zebs and it felt weird (pressure) being the Southerner on a 36 and a "trail bike". I didn't feel like the bike / rear suspension was holding me back. After that weekend I got a chilly just so I could feel more confident in the front end on steeps into hard transitions. Didnt get to go back three weeks later cos I did my shoulder on my second ride on the chilly 👎.
 
One thing to keep in mind is the Fugitive really punches above it's weight/travel. It's way more capable than most trail bikes. It's not going to compete with a chilcotin on the downhills, but it's not likely to hold you back much either.
I'm not worried about going big (i.e. not doing anything remotely big), but want that magic carpet bike that I can ride everywhere. I’m not getting any younger and my joints would appreciate more forgiveness. I’m currently on a 130/120 Scott Spark which isn’t plush enough for me. I’ve ridden some 130mm bikes like the GT Sensor and they also aren’t plush enough for my liking. I still want to be able to ride long epic ride too. Now to find that unicorn 🦄
 
I'm not worried about going big (i.e. not doing anything remotely big), but want that magic carpet bike that I can ride everywhere. I’m not getting any younger and my joints would appreciate more forgiveness. I’m currently on a 130/120 Scott Spark which isn’t plush enough for me. I’ve ridden some 130mm bikes like the GT Sensor and they also aren’t plush enough for my liking. I still want to be able to ride long epic ride too. Now to find that unicorn 🦄
I know I'm biased, but just saying... :)

 
First ride on the new Fugitive XT build is complete. Obviously I'm still getting used to the bike and I'm comparing it to something that I have nearly 400 rides on (2020 Pivot Switchblade), but so far it's great! The bike pedals well and was completely comfortable and composed. I'll still experiment with the suspension setup, but after just one ride and a few adjustments, it felt really nice. I'm about 215lbs plus gear and have about 105psi in the Fox Float 36 and about 250psi in the Float X (to get to about 25% sag). I opened the Float X compression damping up and I think I'm at 8 on that right now. More to come.
 
First ride on the new Fugitive XT build is complete. Obviously I'm still getting used to the bike and I'm comparing it to something that I have nearly 400 rides on (2020 Pivot Switchblade), but so far it's great! The bike pedals well and was completely comfortable and composed. I'll still experiment with the suspension setup, but after just one ride and a few adjustments, it felt really nice. I'm about 215lbs plus gear and have about 105psi in the Fox Float 36 and about 250psi in the Float X (to get to about 25% sag). I opened the Float X compression damping up and I think I'm at 8 on that right now. More to come.
Good to read dude. I look forward to more
 
First ride on the new Fugitive XT build is complete. Obviously I'm still getting used to the bike and I'm comparing it to something that I have nearly 400 rides on (2020 Pivot Switchblade), but so far it's great! The bike pedals well and was completely comfortable and composed. I'll still experiment with the suspension setup, but after just one ride and a few adjustments, it felt really nice. I'm about 215lbs plus gear and have about 105psi in the Fox Float 36 and about 250psi in the Float X (to get to about 25% sag). I opened the Float X compression damping up and I think I'm at 8 on that right now. More to come.
sounds awesome!

the switchblade is also on my cross comparison list so would be keen to hear more about how you find the two compare.

my assumption would be the Fugitive would be more active and plush in the ride, but keen to hear more 😁
 
I’ve had my XL Fugitive 140 for about 3 weeks now, probably 10-12 rides total. Coming off an Evil Following I was pleasantly surprised at how well the Fugi pedals. It’s an excellent tech climber too with tons of traction while you put the power down.

I hadn’t ever run Fox suspension, so it’s taken me a bit of time to get everything dialed in. Im 230lbs geared up, and wound up at 105psi in the fork (150mm Fox 36) for 20% sag and pretty firm on LSC. The Shock I’m at 260psi for 30% sag and have LSC almost all the way open, 9 clicks from closed. The rear end feels super progressive so you don’t need much to make the bike feel supportive.

Descending this thing just eats. I absolutely love the long reach and higher stack. I’m 6’4” and have previously run 50mm rise bars on most bikes, but I’m super comfortable on 25s on the Fugi.

So far im loving the Fugitive. An added bonus the purple color looks stellar in person
 
sounds awesome!

the switchblade is also on my cross comparison list so would be keen to hear more about how you find the two compare.

my assumption would be the Fugitive would be more active and plush in the ride, but keen to hear more 😁
Do you want premature honeymoon frenzy posts, or careful and thoughtful observations after several weeks. :)

Addressing your question about weight (sort of), my fully built Fugitive weighs about 35 lbs and my essentially identically equipped Switchblade v2 weighs about 32.5 lbs. The differences are (Switchblade first/Fugitive second):
WAO Union rims vs WAO Convergence rims
Vittoria Mazzas vs Maxxis Minions (details matter here... maybe I can get weights without the wheels/tires)
Fox Transfer vs SDG Tellis
Specialized saddle vs stock SDG thing
RF Atlas cranks vs XT cranks

Everything else is the same. I don't choose components on weight, at least not very much, and I haven't felt the approximate 2 lbs difference on the trail.
 
How does the new Fugitive compare to the V2 Chilcotin 151? On paper they look super similar...
Hey n3sta

By V2 Chilcotin 151, I am assuming you mean "V2 Chilcotin 155"?

As you might have noticed, our 29" full suspension product line goes something like this:
  • Chilcotin 170 (170mm fork)
  • Chilcotin 155 (160mm fork)
  • Fugitive 140 (150mm fork)
  • Fugitive 125 (140mm fork)
Seems pretty logical. As I suspect you also know, we use different stroke rear shocks to tweak the travel for each model and spec different forks as well, all to tailor the bike to a specific performance need.

GIven that that Fugitive 140 and Chilcotin 155 both use a 35 or 36mm chassis fork (Lyrik or 36), yes, they are similar in that their forks have the same chassis and only 10mm difference in travel.

The big difference though is in the frame geometry. The Chilcotin frame - overall - is focused on climbing then descending. The Fugitive frame is designed to be a bit more relaxed and this means climbing, traversing and descending. The Fugitive is a more compfortable place to be if you are finding yourself doing a lot of riding on horizontal terrain. I don't necessarily mean flat or non-technical terrain. I mean mostly horizontal, where the trail might climb, it might go down, there could be a long ride to / from the trail, etc... The seat tube angle is about 1 - 1.5 degrees more relaxed on the Fugitive and this places the rider in a more comfortable possition when tranversing. The Fugitive places less pressure on the hands, knees and wrists when riding across horizontal terrain.

The Chilcotin has a steeper seat tube angle to offset its greater amount of rear suspension sag when climbing. However, if you're traversing, then you'll find yourself in a more forward centric position that might be a little overly aggressive. Again, these are subtle differences, but noticeable if you ride the bikes back to back.

So, I would say that technically they are close - but not quite the same in that the Chilcotin is overall a more capable descender due to the increase in travel and also the increase in progression of the leverage curve. The Fugitive is the "do everthing" trail bike: with appropriate tires, it can handle moderate drops and steep rock slabs and tech terrain. It's limit will be when it runs out of rear travel compared to the bigger platform bikes. This comes with the benefit of all day comfort on a mix of riding styles, while still maintaining enough chops to hit single black and some more moderate double black features.

Cheers,
 
@knollybikes.com or anyone else that can assist. I am looking at the fugitive 125 to replace a 2018 Ripley LS. I like the robust build of the knolly.

How does the fugitive 125 climb? I am in the northeast with tight, technical switchback climbs. I am looking for something that would be described as responsive to pedal input. Most of the measures with the 51 mm offset fork suggest this would be a great match for the terrain.

appreciate the input given a short time on market
 
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