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BK got that frame new at Hardline so who knows what could've happened prior to that wreck.
We were watching hardline live and someone commented how BK looked squirrely landing some of the bigger stuff. Fast forward to a few weeks later and this. I went back to watch the replay. Now, determining the bike was a noodle is way above my pay grade. But for sure there is some weird looking feedback from the front wheel. Elliot mentioned how BK was the only one pre jumping some of the features at Hardline too. I wonder if that had anything to do with BK hedging his bets.
 
Lots of advantages to lugs. I'm not sure that Pivot has any production plans for them, but for the Athy it allows them to build a very lightweight bike in a multitude of custom sizes with metal interfaces wherever there are threads or press interfaces.

Frameworks has also decided to go this direction but with an all aluminum frame. Again, it allows them to custom size and the frames can be built much more precisely and actually more durable as there are no heat affected zones from the welding process. Bonding AL alloy to itself is not as challenging as AL to C. Pole has been doing it for quite some time although they way they do it is less structural, although highly CNC intensive, and expensive. Frameworks I believe is only CNC'ing the lugs and using pre-formed tubing.
Atherton just announced aluminum as well. Kinda want...
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edit derp, beat me to it.
 
There was a video on Youtube by Vital, I think, that showed Pivot's facility and they said a production bike like the DH proto would run $30k.
I'd imagine it's less about money and more about flexibility & speed of change.
Prototype frame prices are difficult to quantify. If your R&D dept costs $150k for a year and produced 5 frames are the frames $30k each or are the frame $5k each and overheads $125k?
 
big boys doing big 50/50's will break anything...
The reason I ask is because Kerr doesn't often eff up like that. I watched his vid today and he greased that triple in quali.

No way to tell really, was just wondering if the bike started to let loose on the face of that triple and the case just was the nail in the coffin.
 
The reason I ask is because Kerr doesn't often eff up like that. I watched his vid today and he greased that triple in quali.

No way to tell really, was just wondering if the bike started to let loose on the face of that triple and the case just was the nail in the coffin.
There was a video posted by Redbull of the same tripple double and some other rider cased it harder than Kerr and that bike didnt explode. I dont know the rider or bike though...
 
There was a video posted by Redbull of the same tripple double and some other rider cased it harder than Kerr and that bike didnt explode. I dont know the rider or bike though...
I think it was Richie Rude on a Yeti.

Yeah - I saw that. I just think it was odd that BK cased it right after he greased it the run before. So hard to judge speed on those vids though...
 
I think you guys are being overly harsh. Did you guys watch the tassie hardline course prep were Bernard was literally hucking mega jump/drops to ridiculous hard bottom out.

The running short on the tripple was a big hit and the tip of the iceberg of harsh af bottom outs.

This is simply a pro rider hammering a prototype bike until it fails. Any other bike/material would also likely fail in the same harsh service environment.
 
I hope pivot publicly releases the results of the destructive tests and gives a post mortem on the other frames. Would be interesting to see if the others break the same way.
They basically did. Apparently the aluminum component was not treated properly causing it to become detached from the adhesive used to bond it to the carbon. Basically the carbon pulled out from the headset when he landed. Not sure what type of adhesive they use or what type of treatment is needed to insure it bonds properly.

There may be a more detailed update I am not aware of but this is what I read.
 
They basically did. Apparently the aluminum component was not treated properly causing it to become detached from the adhesive used to bond it to the carbon. Basically the carbon pulled out from the headset when he landed. Not sure what type of adhesive they use or what type of treatment is needed to insure it bonds properly.

There may be a more detailed update I am not aware of but this is what I read.
Casing the face of the landing-triple is what made the separation complete; if you watch Bernard approach through the chunder, the front of the bike starts oscillating and Bernard looks over the front of the bike then pulls at the bars since the bike began to sink into the face of the take-off triple.

Incompatible material selection was made and will need to be improved upon obviously.


Pinning the joint on the carbon lug?? That will not accomplish anything other than having a tube shear at any location of the pin should the actual join fail, again.
 
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