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I am sorry this is a duplicate post from the ebike forum. I wanted to put it here as well since my wife is as short as many kids out there, and would love your perspective. Feel free to delete if needed, mods!

TLDR: I'm looking for an easy to handle emtb for my 4'9.5" 100lb beginner wife and considering a Specialized Turbo Levo Kids Sl.

My wife is wanting to get an e-mtb. I am an avid rider (no e-bike), and my 9 year old son is turning into one as well, and she is curious to join us on some rides. She is an absolute beginner, and honestly isn't that great on a bike overall, though she can certainly ride one. We took a trip to Whistler this summer, and my wife rented and rode for a day doing a few laps down Easy Does It. She actually really enjoyed it, and is now wanting to give it a bit more of a try. But she is adamant that she does not want to climb. Hence, an e-mtb.

However, at her size (4' 9.5" / 146cm) and weight (100 lbs / 45 kg), fitting and handling a big heavy ebike is a challenge. Most of the bikes available don't come in sizes that fit her, and even those that technically do I am dubious whether it would actually work. As a beginner, she really wants to be able to put her foot down while seated, and this was her biggest complaint about the whistler bike she rented. Her bike inseam is only 26-27" (66-68.5cm), and based on my calculations that would be challenging for any adult ebike I'm aware of.

I am intrigued by the Specialized Levo Kids Sl, and can get a pretty incredible deal at a local shop. This would certainly give her plenty of standover and the ability to put a foot down, but is on 24" wheels, and maybe could be a bit small for her(?) since she is right at the top of the suggested height range. However, the numbers for her seem reasonable, and the front fork is 26", so it should be straightforward to old school mullet it for more clearance and to raise the front end a bit if really needed.

Realistically, though, she is a beginner rider, and is going to be happy on greens and easy blues and just using it around town for quite a while I imagine, and I am thinking for someone at her level a smaller bike that is much easier to handle and where she can always put a foot down will be much more confidence inspiring than a "big" bike that she has a hard time maneuvering. As a side benefit, my 9 year old is at the bottom of the size range for this bike and could use it when she doesn't want to, which I'm sure he would love (he loves descending but doesn't have the legs for bigger days), but I'm not so sure how I feel about that haha.

Important to note, she will likely not be able to try the bike before purchasing, hence my (too) in depth analysis.

What are your thoughts? I would love and appreciate your wisdom!
 
@Cleared2land wanna copy/paste the answer? ;)
I hope not. It isn't very sound advice. A bike should fit without a dropper. A dropper is never the answer to "does this bike fit."

People seem to subject kids and small people to all sorts of crazy bike fits that a reasonable adult would never accept. It's a good thing they are flexible.
 
I hope not. It isn't very sound advice. A bike should fit without a dropper. A dropper is never the answer to "does this bike fit."

People seem to subject kids and small people to all sorts of crazy bike fits that a reasonable adult would never accept. It's a good thing they are flexible.
But, a dropper could mean that someone's feet reach the ground on a properly sized bike.
 
But, a dropper could mean that someone's feet reach the ground on a properly sized bike.
We're gonna have to agree to disagree on what "properly sized" means. I'd love to see a pic of when the knee angle, reach and stack height are all spot on but feet can't touch the ground without a dropper.

Even if you could get that all right through some weird contortion, why would you want a beginners center of gravity abnormally high? No thanks.
 
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I hope not. It isn't very sound advice. A bike should fit without a dropper. A dropper is never the answer to "does this bike fit."

People seem to subject kids and small people to all sorts of crazy bike fits that a reasonable adult would never accept. It's a good thing they are flexible.
Yes totally. And it’s even a bit different for a small adult because we often are ok putting kids on oversized bikes as they will grow into them. But my wife is not growing any more (no matter how much she’d like to 😆).
 
while in France this past summer we rented a 24” e-mtb for my 10 yo daughter who was 4’-8“. Fit her great and she rode 25 mi one day. It wasn’t light or fancy, but she had no trouble getting on or off and negotiating beginner trails.
 
I hope not. It isn't very sound advice. A bike should fit without a dropper. A dropper is never the answer to "does this bike fit."

People seem to subject kids and small people to all sorts of crazy bike fits that a reasonable adult would never accept. It's a good thing they are flexible.
How is it that everyone else rides a bike just fine without both feet on the ground (yes, beginners included)? Guess we're all doing it wrong. Wait, is your wife a toddler? Sorry, here ya go.
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How is it that everyone else rides a bike just fine without both feet on the ground (yes, beginners included)? Guess we're all doing it wrong. Wait, is your wife a toddler? Sorry, here ya go.
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Maybe a little aggressive?

Really don’t think it’s a crazy idea that you should be able to stand over your mountain bike, even if you’re short. I’d be willing to wager you can stand over yours.
 
Maybe a little aggressive?

Really don’t think it’s a crazy idea that you should be able to stand over your mountain bike, even if you’re short. I’d be willing to wager you can stand over yours.
Nope, just the plain truth. No need to sugar coat it. She just needs to learn.

You'd lose that bet on all 5 of my bikes because they fit properly and I don't want the pedals to drag the ground riding in a straight line or my knees in my chest with the seat way too low.
 
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Nope, just the plain truth. No need to sugar coat it. She just needs to learn.

You'd lose that bet on all 5 of my bikes because they fit properly and I don't want the pedals to drag the ground riding in a straight line or my knees in my chest with the seat way too low.
I think you’re misunderstanding me. Obviously the seat needs to fit your pedaling height, no disagreement there. I’m not suggesting you pedal with your seat at a height that you can reach the ground.

What I am saying is that I bet you can stand over the top tube with your feet on the ground. While it is also nice (and common) to be able to get your seat low enough with a dropper to put a foot down when starting or stopping (certainly all riders I personally know can do this), I’d say having a bike you can at least physically stand over without substantial effort makes a big difference, especially when you’re mounting and dismounting frequently as a beginner to mountain biking would.

I don’t think it’s a radical idea that short riders should be able to straddle their bike without having to mount it like a penny farthing.
 
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Regardless, maybe our philosophies differ here, @noapathy. All good.

If there is anyone who does think standover is important, would love your thoughts for good standover clearance on a smaller wheel size vs inadequate clearance on "normal" size wheels for a beginner. Geometry wise the Levo Kids Sl would fit her proportionally very similar to how my size M V1 SC 5010 and current SJ Evo fit me, whereas the XS-sized adult bikes are all substantially bigger, so I think actual fit would be good. It's just a matter of wheel size.
 
No one should be able to touch the ground while sitting on their seat.
Biking 101.
No disrespect meant to OP but everything about the direction he is sending his wife in is wrong.
My advise: buy her a lightweight Trailcraft Maxwell 26" bike and ride easy trails appropriate for someone of the skill level and coordination described. She is being set up to get to the top of a hill, with no descending skills and not possessing the fitness to handle an ebike which is definitely a thing,then she is going to sit on the saddle over bumps and the like. The inevitable OTBs are both predictable & epic. Someone is likely to get hurt and never learn a thing.

GL
 
maybe our philosophies differ
It's not about philosophy, but physiology. The body moves in certain specific ways and in the wrong position we have far less control.
As a beginner, she really wants to be able to put her foot down while seated
What I am saying is that I bet you can stand over the top tube with your feet on the ground.
Which is it? Seat or top tube, because those are two very different things. Low top tubes, totally different story than what you initially described.
Someone is likely to get hurt and never learn a thing.
Exactly this.
 
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