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Hello everyone !

I’d like to buy a gravel bike and have been doing some research on models and brands. I have decided on a carbon frame, I got to a shortlist based on frame geometry and bike features I like :

-Specialized Diverge Comp Carbon , is more expensive than others, like the idea of having some shock absorber on the stem, I can get 20% off a new bike from Specialized so this is also attracting my attention to this model…I like the single chainring over the dual used on Canyon bikes

-Canyon Grizl 7 /Canyon Grail 7 ….their carbon version, has good components at a more affordable price than the Diverge if looking at the full retail price. They have Shimano GRX 810 groupset, while Diverge uses SRAM Rival 1

-Lauf Seigla , looks like a fast gravel bike although I’m not sure about their unique fork suspension tech and design. It looks different from anything else in the market but I’m just worried about maintenance in the long run since it’s a proprietary design and construction. In fact, I was more inclined on the rigid fork option

-Orbea Terra M30 Team , their redesign of this model for gravel-specific use got me to look into it.

-Factor Vista, starting from a high entry price but would have a 25% off a new bike from this brand. Frame design looks very interesting with their unique one total integration system between fork and stem, not sure if this can be more complicated from a maintenance/repair point of view. Among all the models I selected it’s maybe the model with a more “road” oriented frame geometry…



I was wondering if anyone own or has ridden any of these and if you could share your opinions, suggestion etc…





Thanks all !
 
I went with the Seigla with the proprietary fork(I like unique stuff that has been proven reliable and effective). It's the best "deal" dollarwise-just shy of 3K for the boring black color and the 30 day guarantee.
I like the way Lauf provides geo measurements. Best info going in my opinion for online ordering.
Their True Grit is a nice bike.
I'm a weird fit on frames so I'm all about saddle to bar drop range.
Canyon looks like solid value too- I have built up Canyone road and gravel frames for people- fit a bit iffy for me, but great builds for the $$$$.
Diverge is nice if you want to be on the big S train. Great warranty.
 
Of that list, I like the Seigla also. Forget maintenance. There is no more with the Lauf than any of the others listed.

To muddy the waters....

You may want to look at the Sonder Camino. They have a titanium Force 1 build right now and with current exchange rates it is something like $2700. Crazy good deal, and damn I love my Camino.
 
I would think at 20% off the diverge would be a no brainer. I bought the sport in the spring and while i haven't ridden it for 1000's of miles i really enjoy it. I don't have a lot of experience with the others you mention. I am a fan of specialized though. I know its not popular - but anytime i call them they pick up the phone.
 
That Lauf has a higher BB that's also 73mm instead of 68. Less of an issue if you don't have knee problems and want to stay 1x. I prefer a low BB and 2x.
 
With the design of gravel bikes changing, you may want to consider how you'll use the bike - adventure riding on a mix of gravel/road, bikepacking, racing, etc, The slower adventure bikes tend to have a more upright riding position and the performance bikes have more of a road like riding position. Also, some of the performance bikes have limited tire clearance, typically 38mm max. Seems like the sweet spot for most adventure riding is 40-45mm.

Most dealers should allow you to ride the bikes around the parking lot. This may be a good first step. Try a few different bikes to see how they feel to you.

Also, check out Giant Revolt, Trek Checkpoint (22-23 model years), Santa Cruz Stigmata and Salsa bikes.

Good luck and enjoy. I purchased a gravel bike earlier this year and really enjoy it.
 
Put me in the Lauf Seigla camp as well. I got mine back in June and it's been awesome. As for the fork design, we've had Lauf forks on our fatties for several years with zero issues (sometimes being ridden in temps below zero F) and my Seigla has several hundred miles on single track with the fork being put through the ringer and I have not had any issues yet.
 
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thanks a lot to everyone for sharing their experience and knowledge, I really appreciate it and it's helping in the decision making.
I like the Seigla a lot for several reasons and you listed them pretty much all already. I was curious about the whole maintenance and service of their fork technology because I'm not familiar with it at all and I'd prefer not to go crazy to find replacement parts..

So far I've checked in person the Diverge, Trek Checkpoint and Santa Cruz Stigmata. I was stoked about Stigmata and had looked for a used one at some point because the full retail price is a bit out of my current budget for this bike.
I would pick Diverge over Checkpoint for personal feelings on the bikes. Also the 20% off with Specialized is a tempting discount..
I getting down to a bike shop again to double check my fit on a Diverge, which is a plus over Seigla, for example. I believe it's an amazing bike but it will be more of a surprise fit and ride.

I will be using this bike for a 2 to 3 times a week commute to work , around 12 miles back and forth and of course for gravel road riding in the PNW area.
Asphalt conditions on my commute are mixed, some parts decent some others cracks and holes. I have been using a steel frame bike so far, sort of gravel inspired cockpit but with road bike tires. I'd like them to be thicker but there is no clearance for it.
It's a 90's Syntace frame, I got it used for a very cheap price when living in Germany a few years ago and it have been my battle bike for a while. Very nice trim details...I'm actually thinking to disassemble the bike, repaint the frame professionally and put it back together with a more road bike build and new parts. Use the new gravel as a replacement.

I was considering Titanium frames too, although I have zero experience and never tried one. I'm aware they are great bikes, just not sure of jumping on it for something I'd use a lot.
 
Delay gratification and try stuff. Fit and riding style are important. Figure out if you want something more like a traditional racer or high stack. Get the reach correct for your body. Think about where you will ride because now a gravel bike can cover very different riding scenarios. That leads to deciding if your riding would benefit from the range of 2x or simplicity of 1x drivetrain. Then add thoughts about what you might carry because some are more tour/adventure oriented and some more race oriented.

In addition to materials such as plastic, recycled beer cans, recycled cars or recycled aerospace stuff think if you want it made of Chinesium or some place called USA.
 
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I would much rather have a Crux Comp w/ Redshift stem over the Diverge Carbon. If you can get 20% off Specialized, I would go that way.
yes the Crux is a really nice one too, in fact I was just checking the stock on that shop I'll be testing as couple of bikes and they have the Crux in my size....I'm in between 5ft9 and 5ft10 ish, I think 54 should be my side but would like to check 56 too.
I'm still on and off on the idea of the stem suspension, testing will help somehow but it's more the long run and the main use I'll do with it that can answer this question.
 
yes the Crux is a really nice one too, in fact I was just checking the stock on that shop I'll be testing as couple of bikes and they have the Crux in my size....I'm in between 5ft9 and 5ft10 ish, I think 54 should be my side but would like to check 56 too.
I'm still on and off on the idea of the stem suspension, testing will help somehow but it's more the long run and the main use I'll do with it that can answer this question.
The Crux and Diverge feel very different due to geometry changes and ~3lb weight difference between comparable models. If you can test ride both, I think you'll find it easy to make a decision one way or another.
 
I was considering Titanium frames too, although I have zero experience and never tried one. I'm aware they are great bikes, just not sure of jumping on it for something I'd use a lot.
After a few bikes in gravel/tour/adventure realm, a titanium bike proved best. It was a big spend - Routt 45 - but no f*ckry like wanting or having suspension bits, no paint or plastic to scratch or chip, and I can spend up to hours more time on it for big rides. It made it easy to part with my road bike and the gravel bike before it.

One thing though is I do not park the titanium and plastic wheel rather high end bike downtown for commuting and errands. We use a steel off road capable touring bike for commuting with a rear rack - a Fargo. It's an overall more heavy duty setup.
 
I getting down to a bike shop again to double check my fit on a Diverge, which is a plus over Seigla, for example. I believe it's an amazing bike but it will be more of a surprise fit and ride.
FWIW - Lauf does have a 30-day test ride where I believe you can exchange sizes for free or return the bike for a refund less $100 for shipping.
 
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I just ordered a Seigla that my wife (5'6") and I (5'7.5") will share. I have a generic carbon hardtail flatbar with XT components I bought for dual use. Took her on a gravel ride yesterday, she enjoyed it, so we decided to get a gravel bike.....I'll ride my hardtail when we ride gravel together, and teh Lauf when I'm riding with some of my MTB peers. One of our friends is friends withi the guy who owns Nox Composites, so he took off the XCX Race Carbons that came on his Lauf to put the Nox on, and I'll be getting those take-offs inexpensively. Just a lot of content for the money, the wheels I can get sealed it. I loved the fork the first time I saw it. First experience with electronic shifting, too (got that for 67Queen, I would have gone with conventional shifting).
 
I recently got the Seigla and I highly recommend the Lauf Fork version. I suggest the Sram Rival AXS variant as is it can be paired with either Xplr or Eagle cassettes. The Reverb Xplr is a very useful accessory as well even with only 50-75mm drop.

Previously had Turbo Creo (similar Future Shock 2.0 as the Diverge), Grizl (SL and SLX, both with 2by GRX), and older Lauf bikes (Anywhere and True Grit).
 
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