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Hey folks! I am planning out an upcoming build and I am wondering what the hivemind thinks. I am trying to decide between these two forks - the newest Charger 3 Pike reduced to 120mm, or the MRP Ribbon SL. Some facts:

- This build will be a XC hardtail build to complement my FS bike, meant for long pedally days on dirt - probably 60/40 fire road / trail split.

- I am tall and not a lightweight - 6’2”, 204 lbs in my birthday suit due to 20 COVID pounds that never went away. So riding weight around 210 to 212.

- party due for the above, I am not a weight weenie and don’t plan to podium any XC races - when I race my goal is usually “finish ahead of that weird tandem team.” I have some very light wheels that will go on this build but otherwise not too concerned about it (frame is steel).

- I am trying very hard not to use the “DC” word.

On a previous hardtail I have owned the 2018-2019 generation of the Fox 34 Stepcast. That fork was good at being light but not much else - in particular I found the fit4 damper to be pretty inadequate as a damper once up to speed, especially on big hits. The newest one looks to be pretty much the same. The SID looks to be in a similar genre, and I’ve seen a lot of worrying reliability problems with the bushings.

i own a Fox 36 GRIP2 on my full suspension bike and that fork is great, once I got it tuned in - no complaints would buy again. But a 36 is complete overkill for how this bike will be ridden, and I don’t think it can be setup for 120mm travel anyway.

I have also owned a 34 GRIP2, and it was nothing like the 36. For reasons unclear to me I never got on with that fork despite many efforts - it was either too linear and blew through travel, or overdamped and harsh. That soured me on that fork.

So that leaves me with the new Charger 3 Pike or the MRP Ribbon SL. Things I’ve learned so far - the new Pike has a lot of new tech on it (“buttercups”) and SRAM does have a reputation of beta testing on its customers. But I do like what the reviews say. The MRP oddly doesn’t have a lot of information out there about it, versus it’s bigger cousin. All I can figure out so far is that they market it using the dreaded “DC” word, they seem to have great customer service, and you have to inflate the positive and negative chambers separately during setup.

anyone with experience on both or either care to help? Thank you!!!
 
Both are good choices. However, I wouldn't give much weight to the Buttercups. The benefits are most likely minuscule if even that. What's cool about Ribbon SL is the FulFill air spring that allows one to adjust the positive and negative sides of the air spring independently. This gives the option of making the initial part of the travel super plush.

If you're big on colours, MRP has a new selection of ShredKote colours that give as many options as one could wish.
 
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Both are good choices. However, I wouldn't give much weight to the Buttercups. The benefits are most likely minuscule if even that. What's cool about Ribbon SL is the FulFill air spring that allows one to adjust the positive and negative sides of the air spring independently. This gives the option of making the initial part of the travel super plush.

If you're big on colours, MRP has a new selection of ShredKote colours that give as many options as one could wish.
That's helpful! Another factor pushing me towards the MRP is that I can get a really good deal on one vs. the Pike.
 
At 120mm? I'd be leaning towards the Manitou R7.

It's tough because the Fox 34 GRIP2 and Pike can both be tuned extensively. You can even run a Secus on the 34. Same with the Pike.

The Ribbon SL might be fine for use case, but it has limited tuning options. If your looking for a fork that is set and forget, the R7 would probably outperform it, although at your weight, there is something to be said for a stiffer/larger chassis like the Ribbon SL.

In my experience, I need shorter travel to be DIALED. It's easier to hide some issues with 180mm travel, but at 120mm, you need it both comfortable and supportive.
 
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At 120mm? I'd be leaning towards the Manitou R7.

It's tough because the Fox 34 GRIP2 and Pike can both be tuned extensively. You can even run a Secus on the 34. Same with the Pike.

The Ribbon SL might be fine for use case, but it has limited tuning options. If your looking for a fork that is set and forget, the R7 would probably outperform it, although at your weight, there is something to be said for a stiffer/larger chassis like the Ribbon SL.

In my experience, I need shorter travel to be DIALED. It's easier to hide some issues with 180mm travel, but at 120mm, you need it both comfortable and supportive.
Interesting, I hadn't considered Manitou mostly because I can't get "your fork is on backwards" jokes out of my head. Also not sure about 32mm stanchions at my size. Definitely food for thought, though. I agree on shorter travel making it harder to hide issues (maybe that's why the Fox 36 and I get along).
 
i just updated my old giant HT from a (gasp!) rockshox judy XC ( coil 100mm travel, 28.6mm stanchions) to a Recon .. 100mm .. 32mm stanchions arent that flexy.. you can get a 120mm option.. im pleased with the much needed update
 
The Rockshox Revelation with 35mm stanchions surprisingly comes in a 120mm version. Happens to be really cheap ($322) at Level 9 right now...I have zero experience or opinion on the fork, just throwing it out as an option.

 
Interesting, I hadn't considered Manitou mostly because I can't get "your fork is on backwards" jokes out of my head. Also not sure about 32mm stanchions at my size. Definitely food for thought, though. I agree on shorter travel making it harder to hide issues (maybe that's why the Fox 36 and I get along).
Funny as I always won't consider MRP because of the "arch is inside out" jokes bouncing around in my head!

The Manitou damper is probably best bet, but at your weight the chassis may be begging for mercy. And if ya can get a good deal on the MRP that is always appealing.
 
I have the Ribbon SL and initially had a lot of problems with it:
  • Leaking positive air chamber from the factory, which turned out to be a split top cap o-ring
  • GREASE in the lowers from the factory!!

However, once serviced and up and running it is a really nice fork apart from the damper. I’m not sure if a thinner oil would help, but even wide open the damper feels like there is no damping at all in the first 1/3 of the stroke and then it’s too slow to return from bigger hits. I need to try a different oil. I have ~100h on mine so it’s still filled and bled with factory oil, what ever that is.

The chassis is excellent and this feels like a true trail fork vs the somewhat noodly Fox 34SC and very supple on small to medium hits. There’s a bit of stiction so tiny vibrations are more pronounced than with Fox.
 
I felt like the Ribbon was a good chassis and the fact they are now stretching them to 170mm is evidence of that - but man the damper is just funky. I didn't have any complaints about it other than feeling dead through fast rough stuff. Mine also had overly tight bushings and some weird alignment issues, or what appeared to be alignment issues of the CSU. Still need to investigate that.

The Mezzer has been pretty great out of the box.
 
I have a ribbon sl. It's great. My riding weight is around 200 pounds. I would agree that it feels like a trail fork and not a noodle xc fork.

I had an R7 expert and rode a friend's pro. I was never happy with it. Just felt like it had no support.
 
ill put another vote for the Revelation.. i have a 150mm travel Rev RC on my Troy.. its a very stiff chassis.. highly tunable air spring.. and changes to the clickers make a noticeable difference.. i sill think im not enough rider lol i weigh 210lbs in my bday suit.. so about 215-220lbs riding..
 
I’m almost exactly the same as you: 6’3” 225lbs. Fox 36 @140 on my FS. Recently got a burly steel hardtail for the same purpose as you described. I moved the fox 34 that had been on my FS over to the hardtail and reduced travel to 120. I did not like the 34 at 140, but it’s been great at 120 on the hardtail (it’s also grip2). The combination of reduced travel and different use case (smoother terrain/slower speeds in the rough) have solved or hidden the issues I had with the 34 previously. Works great.
 
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