I typically run trail casing tires with inserts but thinking about moving to a heavier duty casing without them. Who has had time running both setups?
EXO with insert or DD without?
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This is on my aggressive trail/enduro bike. Ill take it most anyone here in NorCal/Bay Area. Local “enduro” loop is 10 miles with 2500-3k vert. The trails on the way down are often steep, loose, rooty with some rocky chunk sprinkled in.
I guess how fast is all relative. I’m not the fastest but trying to go as fast as I can I suppose.
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How much do you weigh?
I ride from the Bay to the Sierras, heavier casing and no inserts for me. When I puncture a tire, it is always through the middle of the tread from a sharp rock. Inserts don’t prevent that. What they do offer is better sidewall support and protection against rim strikes. Pick your poison and what you have issues with.
I am mostly looking for rim strike protection. I get a lot of them at the desired pressures I run.
I’m 155-160 and typically run 21-23 psi in the rear with inserts. Without inserts, anything over 23-24 psi seems to be at the expense of braking and cornering grip.
I’ve slowly increased pressures for more sidewall support and for less squirm the harder Im pushing it. I think the inserts also definitely help with this but curious if a heavier duty casing would achieve the same effect.
I’m 155-160 and typically run 21-23 psi in the rear with inserts. Without inserts, anything over 23-24 psi seems to be at the expense of braking and cornering grip.
I’ve slowly increased pressures for more sidewall support and for less squirm the harder Im pushing it. I think the inserts also definitely help with this but curious if a heavier duty casing would achieve the same effect.
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Dual ply casing certainly helps in this regard. Also consider that many manufacturers have an intermediate casing for aggressive trail/enduro that isn’t dual ply, but offers more puncture protection and support. EXO+, Grid Trail, Super Trail, etc. could be the good middle ground with an insert. Unfortunately the only way to really know what’s best for you is to experiment, which can be expensive.
I go back and forth from trail casings with inserts to DH casing without.
DD casing I had terrible luck with, rocks going through the casing in between the knobs.
Ride feel, 100% prefer DH casing in the rear but it’s definitely slower rolling up and down.
Pedaling lots of vert, trail casing and insert (Airliner for rim protection) and a couple extra psi.
DD casing I had terrible luck with, rocks going through the casing in between the knobs.
Ride feel, 100% prefer DH casing in the rear but it’s definitely slower rolling up and down.
Pedaling lots of vert, trail casing and insert (Airliner for rim protection) and a couple extra psi.
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I prefer DD casings. My pressures are about the same between DD w/o CC and EXO w/ CC but the DD has more predictable handling characteristics including folding.
That’s some good info.
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You could also go exo+ with the cushcore xc.
Although on my bikes I have exo front/exo+ rear with cush xc on my short travel bike. Exo+ front/dd rear with cush pro on my big bike. Even with the weight I think the insert is worth it.
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Although on my bikes I have exo front/exo+ rear with cush xc on my short travel bike. Exo+ front/dd rear with cush pro on my big bike. Even with the weight I think the insert is worth it.
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EXO Aggressor and Tannus Tubeless insert in the rear for me.
EXO and insert is lighter than a DD casing. I like the small amount of sidewall support the TT insert offers and contrary to others experience, I’ve never had a tread puncture with the insert in.
the only flat I’ve had in the last year also killed the rim. No casing or insert would have survived it.
I weigh 165, ride a 170/165 enduro bike (Long-shocked RipmoAF) with the line choice of Helen Keller, living and racing in Arizona, where tire companies come to torture test tires.
EXO and insert is lighter than a DD casing. I like the small amount of sidewall support the TT insert offers and contrary to others experience, I’ve never had a tread puncture with the insert in.
the only flat I’ve had in the last year also killed the rim. No casing or insert would have survived it.
I weigh 165, ride a 170/165 enduro bike (Long-shocked RipmoAF) with the line choice of Helen Keller, living and racing in Arizona, where tire companies come to torture test tires.
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My 3C EXO+ DHR with CC Pro wears really fast. Anyone have this issue? What do you run?
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sigh. That hurts the wallet.
An inch long and clean as if I had used a box cutter. Gonna try a DD this time around.
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I recently got a snake bite on a brand new EXO DHR2 with 3 miles on it. Couldn't get the sidewall hole to seal.
Use inserts when you run out of heavier casings - until then it was always better choice for me go with heavier casing
Just got a set of white letter Maxxis tires.
F: DD Assegai MaxGripp
R: DD Dissector MaxTerra
Will be running them without inserts at the same pressure as my previous set-up (Mazza F and R, trail casing, with Rimpact inserts).
Initial ride impressions - I like the damped and supported feel but will need to really put it through its paces to see how they compare. MaxxGrip definitely seems to be a step-up in grip compared to anything else I've ridden, including MaxTerra Assegais. Really looking forward to this combo.
F: DD Assegai MaxGripp
R: DD Dissector MaxTerra
Will be running them without inserts at the same pressure as my previous set-up (Mazza F and R, trail casing, with Rimpact inserts).
Initial ride impressions - I like the damped and supported feel but will need to really put it through its paces to see how they compare. MaxxGrip definitely seems to be a step-up in grip compared to anything else I've ridden, including MaxTerra Assegais. Really looking forward to this combo.
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I’ve got a big stack of EXO tires from a light trail bike I sold. Rimpact is helping me get some use out of them on my aggressive trail/AM bike. Totally depends on terrain imo, lots of rocks would make it tough
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