Now this is an ebike I would love to try! Said to be around 40lbs, using the Fazua motor 60nm of torque with a battery system designed to be removable dropping weight to around 35lbs. Rear travel 160 or 170mm, 29” wheels or muller.
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Now this is an ebike I would love to try! Said to be around 40lbs, using the Fazua motor 60nm of torque with a battery system designed to be removable dropping weight to around 35lbs. Rear travel 160 or 170mm, 29” wheels or muller.
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Now this is an ebike I would love to try! Said to be around 40lbs, using the Fazua motor 60nm of torque with a battery system designed to be removable dropping weight to around 35lbs. Rear travel 160 or 170mm, 29” wheels or muller.
I have a Bafang M800 motor in a road bike that I would like to try in a carbon XC race dual suspension bike. It has a similar torque output, and is very smooth in the on/off transition. The 55nm of torque is certainly no kick in the pants though, nothing like the Shimano E8000 [emoji51]
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As usual, Transition is always up to something interesting. Here's the new and upcoming Transition Relay. It's supposed to be a mountain bike and ebike mixed. Apparently you can yank the battery and ride it like a regular bike. Reminds me of the Specialized Levo/Kenevo SL to a certain degree. Thoughts?
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You can't "yank the battery" from either of the Specialized SL eMTBs without dropping the motor, which is a significant endeavor nobody wants to do on a regular basis. Also, the motor on those produce only 35Nm. You might be thinking of the Specialized non-SL eMTBs, which have trail-swappable batteries, but are full-fat (i.e. 50-lb class) and produce 90Nm.As usual, Transition is always up to something interesting. Here's the new and upcoming Transition Relay. It's supposed to be a mountain bike and ebike mixed. Apparently you can yank the battery and ride it like a regular bike. Reminds me of the Specialized Levo/Kenevo SL to a certain degree. Thoughts?
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This is more like a Orbea Rise (60Nm) except with a trail-swappable/omit-able battery, which is interesting in that the Fazua Ride60 motor in the Relay is 4.3lbs while the detuned Shimano EP8 in the Rise is 5.7lbs. The Ride60 system has a 430Wh battery, while the Rise has a 360Wh battery. So I'm going to guess that with the added hardware for an externally detachable battery, the Relay might be a feather heavier than the Rise w/battery, but 1-1.5lbs lighter without (not that you would ride a Rise without). I'm guessing a sans-battery weight of 36-38lbs.
It sounds like an interesting formula, but it remains to be seen if the Fazua Ride60 is going to be a good-performing, efficient, robust and reliable system.
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Definitely interesting but it is annoying that Transition "announces" a bike that will not be available for like 9-10 months.
I was hoping there would be some Fazua Ride-60 bikes coming out since that was announced but I gave up waiting and got an Orbea Rise instead. That is proven with stellar reviews. The Ride-60? That has yet to be seen and I would not want to be a first-get customer.
This mid-power eMTB will be the future. I look forward to a 60NM trail bike, with removable battery for non eMTB days (let's face it - its going to take a long time for all US trails to open up to eMTB if ever) so if you can get a trail bike with battery in the 37lb range and then without battery for say 32lb that actually starts to become practical for single bike ownership that covers eMTB and those days when eMTB is not allowed.
For now I'll have my Rise H15 for eMTB days and my YT Izzo for amish days.
I was hoping there would be some Fazua Ride-60 bikes coming out since that was announced but I gave up waiting and got an Orbea Rise instead. That is proven with stellar reviews. The Ride-60? That has yet to be seen and I would not want to be a first-get customer.
This mid-power eMTB will be the future. I look forward to a 60NM trail bike, with removable battery for non eMTB days (let's face it - its going to take a long time for all US trails to open up to eMTB if ever) so if you can get a trail bike with battery in the 37lb range and then without battery for say 32lb that actually starts to become practical for single bike ownership that covers eMTB and those days when eMTB is not allowed.
For now I'll have my Rise H15 for eMTB days and my YT Izzo for amish days.
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I think the idea of removing the battery in order to have a 39 lb bike sounds pretty terrible, but if I were to ever buy an e-bike, it would be one of the lighter weight mid travel ones, for doing self shuttle runs. I think we’re still a ways out from maturity.
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I think this thing will be super popular. Even if the battery didnt come out I think it would still be popular, as I see the lightweight ebike market (sub class 1 so to speak) growing more in the future.
I think when solid state batteries come out, this is when we’ll see more lightweight ebikes. Solid state batteries reportedly will have about three times the energy density for the same weight.
Which means the battery could be three times larger in capacity to todays batteries (and the same weight),or the same capacity (in wh/hrs) and 1/3 the weight. And that to me is when things may start getting more interesting.
Timing is still unclear. In the auto industry they’re saying somewhere in the 2025-2030 timeframe. But I don’t follow it all that closely. Just know the highlights.
I think when solid state batteries come out, this is when we’ll see more lightweight ebikes. Solid state batteries reportedly will have about three times the energy density for the same weight.
Which means the battery could be three times larger in capacity to todays batteries (and the same weight),or the same capacity (in wh/hrs) and 1/3 the weight. And that to me is when things may start getting more interesting.
Timing is still unclear. In the auto industry they’re saying somewhere in the 2025-2030 timeframe. But I don’t follow it all that closely. Just know the highlights.
The drive unit is 4.32 lbs and the battery is 5.07 lbs. If you think of the starting point of an Orbea Rise carbon (lighter battery but heavier drive unit), which can be at 40 lbs or even under with a lighter build, the Relay with battery removed should be pretty respectable.
Personally, this system if proven quiet, reliable with nice power delivery, is ideal for me. Just the right amount of power and battery. I also live where winters get very cold and need to keep my batteries in the house so removable is highly preferred. I believe Fazua has also stated that their systems are designed to be upgradable over time, a massive bonus compared to some others.
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I guess my gripe isn’t with the modular nature of it, just can’t see myself taking the battery out to ride park laps or non-e trails.
Crazy pricing these days for sure. Not sure there’s any way around it besides new analog alloy bikes or deals on used carbon. Does make me curious what this bike in alloy GX or XT will be.
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All-in-one products aren't for everyone. There are advantages and disadvantages compared to keeping separate-and-dedicated units.
But if the Relay turns out to be all that, aside from the more-obvious audiences (eg. those who have space constraints eg. city apartment dwellers, those looking to Marie-Kondo-minimize, those who only want to maintain one MTB, etc.), the Relay will also speak to the person ready for a MTB upgrade and is eMTB-curious, but is afraid of making the leap to becoming an "e-biker" and taking on all the baggage that the MTB community-at-large has saddled on the eMTBer (i.e. e-bikers are lazy, fat, cheaters, eMTB-prohibited trail poachers, etc.)... and that he might have also internalized (or even inflicted on others) to some degree. It gives him an "out" so that he doesn't feel like he has to be any of those things, but at the same time he also has the option to eMTB. Humans are truly wonderful rationalizers.
So yeah, it could be a huge hit as long as the core product isn't terrible and terribly-priced. It's a good concept that will speak to more than anybody expects.
There are parallels in the ski world in the form of dual-mode boots (eg. Dalbello Lupo) and bindings (eg. Salomon/Atomic Shift) that have been big hits despite the reality that many people use them primarily in one mode, and occasionally-if-ever uses them in the other mode. Having the option gives them the warm-and-fuzzies at the critical moment: the plopping-down of the credit card.
I definitely think that light weight MTBs are the way to go. I bought my 21 Heckler MX primarily because it was one of the lightest full power ebikes I could buy at approximately 45 lbs. I subsequently bought an Orbea Rise and I’m completely sold on lightweight bikes. I wouldn’t buy an ebike over 45lbs regardless of battery size and enjoy the nimbleness and tractability of both the Rise and the Heckler
The trend still seems to be longer and slacker with more travel front and back. And while extra battery storage is nice, Until they come out with a modular system I would take a bit less battery for a lighter bike. Especially in the down tube area. I think Orbea hit the sweet spot and the Transition looks promising.
The trend still seems to be longer and slacker with more travel front and back. And while extra battery storage is nice, Until they come out with a modular system I would take a bit less battery for a lighter bike. Especially in the down tube area. I think Orbea hit the sweet spot and the Transition looks promising.
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