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#21 ·
FrankS29 said:
That’s kind of what I mean by limiting.

To me, it shouldn’t have to run massive tires (for an “adventure/Gravel bike” to get decent top speeds.
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Everything in bike design is a compromise, right? If you want a bikepacking/adventure rig with a 1x12 drivetrain and clearance for 2.4" tires, something has to give. If you don't need clearance for 29x2.4" tires for gravel (I certainly don't) then there are lots of options available.

This is a very niche bike for a very niche customer. Would I buy it? Absolutely not. Do I want to ride it? Yes.
 
#22 ·
Value isn't just in the initial cost, it is over the cost of ownership. How many people are riding around on 10 year old carbon wonderbikes that they bought new, my guess is not many. How many people are still riding a 10 year old Moots, Potts, Eriksen that they bought new, my guess is a significantly larger percentage of bikes are still in their original owners possession getting ridden on a regular basis.
 
#23 ·
AKamp said:
Value isn't just in the initial cost, it is over the cost of ownership. How many people are riding around on 10 year old carbon wonderbikes that they bought new, my guess is not many. How many people are still riding a 10 year old Moots, Potts, Eriksen that they bought new, my guess is a significantly larger percentage of bikes are still in their original owners possession getting ridden on a regular basis.
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In all fairness, they might still be paying them off 10 years later...
 
#25 ·
Josh Patterson said:
Everything in bike design is a compromise, right? If you want a bikepacking/adventure rig with a 1x12 drivetrain and clearance for 2.4" tires, something has to give. If you don't need clearance for 29x2.4" tires for gravel (I certainly don't) then there are lots of options available.

This is a very niche bike for a very niche customer. Would I buy it? Absolutely not. Do I want to ride it? Yes.
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100% agree this is a niche bike, but I just can't help but put it against other options.

I also feel zero need for a 2.4" tire on a gravel bike, but I understand some people do. And on bikes that can fit a wider range of gearing you could just run 650B wheels and run beefy tires. Then slap some 700's back on and hit the road. All while being able to run basically whatever gearing I want.

For its intended crowd, I just think the gearing limitations are going to be a serious set back.
 
#26 ·
Here’s why I I would probably never buy a Moots. I wanted something fairly niche, an adventure/gravel bike that could fit 29x2.2 tires but would also handle just fine with 700x38 slicks. Call it a mountain biker’s drop bar bike. This bike can handle everything from loaded touring to schralping single track, is pretty tricked out with Chris king, white industries, a SON dynamo hub, Di2… welded by Brad Bingham (nobody welds Ti better), and about the same price as the lower spec on this new Moots.
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Moots does make really cool bikes, there’s no denying that, but if I was ever going to build a Womble or Routt or something, just go full custom for the same price.
 
#28 ·
FrankS29 said:
The reality is though that someone that likes to keep a bike that long can still be riding a Ti or Carbon bike without issue, or aluminum or steel...
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True, the only wild card being events of misfortune - crashes, impacts, stuff like that. My Ti bike has been violently bounced off unforgiving rocks in a few crashes that I'm all but convinced would have ended a carbon frame, and probably dented or deeply gouged aluminum and steel. So far all I have to show for it are some superficial scratches and a barely perceptible dent. It also shrugs off the type of flying rock impacts while riding that put a small gouge in my steel frame and took a pretty good chunk out of a carbon crank arm. Ti is definitely tough stuff.
 
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AKamp said:
Value isn't just in the initial cost, it is over the cost of ownership. How many people are riding around on 10 year old carbon wonderbikes that they bought new, my guess is not many. How many people are still riding a 10 year old Moots, Potts, Eriksen that they bought new, my guess is a significantly larger percentage of bikes are still in their original owners possession getting ridden on a regular basis.
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Is this supposed to be a positive?

i paid so much for this thing I have to ride it FOREVER!!??

i don’t see that as a positive especially as quickly as things evolve now days.

I'm sure its a great bike but that's Just my opinion.
 
#30 ·
norcalbike said:
Moots are designed, built, welded in house in Steamboat Springs. You’re paying for that and the name. For the price of one of these, you could have a full custom dream build from Steve Potts, Brad Bingham, Carl Strong etc. that’s the route (routt?) I would go.
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Best road bike I ever owned was a Moots Compact made of 6/4 TI, wish I kept it. I think I paid a little less then half that price for full Campy Record back in 02.
 
#31 ·
I've been riding Moots bikes since 2004 and currently own three of them. I have been very happy with their build quality, ride quality, and customer service (even though I was not the original owner of any of them). That said, the price of a new Moots is more than I want to spend on a bike. I know I am not their target demographic, but I buy used bikes from their target demographic to allow their target demographic to buy new Moots bikes.
 
#32 ·
FrankS29 said:
100% agree this is a niche bike, but I just can't help but put it against other options.

I also feel zero need for a 2.4" tire on a gravel bike, but I understand some people do. And on bikes that can fit a wider range of gearing you could just run 650B wheels and run beefy tires. Then slap some 700's back on and hit the road. All while being able to run basically whatever gearing I want.

For its intended crowd, I just think the gearing limitations are going to be a serious set back.
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I'm still not sure who the intended crowd is for this bike. My best guess is well-heeled cyclists with Tour Divide aspirations. How many of these folks exist? I have no idea. Hopefully, Moots does.

The Routt ESC has all the frame mounts and plenty of space in the triangle for bottles, bags and everything else. If this is the intended use, then the 38T max chainring is fine for the application. Check out these 2021 Tour Divide set-ups: Rigs of the 2021 Tour Divide - BIKEPACKING.com Most of the 1x drivetrains range from 32-36T.

This doesn't seem like a high-performance gravel bike for fast-paced, one-day gravel events. In those situations, and for general use when not laden down with cargo, I agree that the 38T max could leave some riders wanting. (Moots confirmed there's no 2x compatibility with the Routt ESC.)
 
#33 ·
Obviously some people are willing to drop the $$ on a bike like this.
USA made, fantastic.

It does seem very high for a bike with zero suspension.

I personally would never spend that much on a rigid bike, no matter where it's made.

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#35 ·
I have had my Potts for a long time and it is still my favorite bike to ride. Many people who buy Moots feel the same. Over the past 11 years I would say that the 4500 on the Frame and fork I spent has been a tremendous value, to the tune of about 400/year. Here is one of my first rides on it and one from this past summer.

My son raced collegiate nationals on it this year as well. Best money I ever spent on a bike.
 

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This is no different than the Ferrari 458 vs C8 Corvette. People will argue the C8 is a better deal, the Ferrari is way over priced, not worth it etc. All the while every corvette owner secretly wishes they had the 458. This bike is for a certain market, nothing wrong with that.
 
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